Travelling to Spain.

[BeachLife]

Davy

This is ONS data produced in the Economist - a fairly reliable source I think you will agree

There has been a significnat and clear number of excess deaths in the UK and every city where data is available.

"excess deaths" are those that have deviated from the prior rolling 5 year average

I am suprised that you have info saying the the ONS is now stating that the total deaths for 2020 is lower than the last 5 years - have you got the source for that info ?

Snapshot of the data as it is no is in the picture below

Link to source

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

There will be a vaccine for sure - lots of promising trials underway

[BeachLife]

You beat me to it

I don't always believe what I read so I checked out the source of your post.

Deaths from all causes this year to date 362,259

Average over the past 5 years (same period) 309,081

Therefore you have a 17.20% more chance of dying this year than the average of the past 5 years. It would be interesting to understand how you have calculated that the office of national statistics give you a different take on what is presented. Maybe I am looking at it wrong.

See here

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

[dleafy]

Congratulations on ignoring what I wrote and commenting on what you think I wrote.
I never claimed the Kyoto Protocol wasn’t ratified, and people recovering from what is basically a flu does not mean there is a cure.
Carry on eating what you’re fed though. I’m sure it works for you.

[Derek]

and the less deaths see here;

[wilson]

It will be interesting to see if and when the vaccine is rolled out in the uk whether all the naysayers and its just like a bad cold gang will demand they be first in the queue. Hopefully they will stick to their thoughts and beliefs.

[John H]

Non of them will Wilson, they all think Bill Gates is putting microchips in them 😉

Regards all

John

Edited to correct spelling mistake, thanks Derek

[Derek]

No doubt with a good helping of onion gravy on those micro chips.

[steve watson]

Hi
I was chosen randomly!!to take a COVID 19 swab test, this is what happens, they send you a test kit in the post , you then book a courier to collect, they give you a day, mine was Sunday 26 July, I done the test early Sunday morning it was collected Sunday afternoon, I have received a result today 29 July. , so from taking the test to receiving the results is less than 3  days. !!!
I’m clad to say it was negative
So why don’t everybody get tested in different areas ie polling stations , they have already got everyones details  that way surely we would know exactly where and who has it is and contain it.
Or am I missing something  ?

[John H]

The problem is the number of false negative tests, even from swabs taken by professionals trained in how to take the sample.
The figure appears to show that c.30% of those testing negative are in fact positive.....hence the reason why despite a negative test result you have to quarantine for two weeks.
The worry is that folk, like yourself who show as negative, will ignore quaratining and spread the virus unknowingly.

Regards all

John

[steve watson]

I know what you mean but since I took the test on Sunday, I’ve been to work and could have caught it , so the testing is a waste of time if it’s not done in bulk !! Who knows what the solution is

[John H]

Looking at the figures it would appear that Jacinda Ardern the PM of New Zealand has the answer, she's been tough and still is, but the results are incredible, only 22 deaths.

Regards all

John

[kevinb]

I've been gobsmacked by the amount of people who believe that if you eventually get a vaccine jab you will get a chip inserted into, it makes me despair. I've always been a firm believer in vaccination having had a friend at school catch Polio, he was off for a year and ended up with a withered arm and leg.

[Spurs]

I’m surprised at the number who don’t want to be vaccinated. I still believe it should be compulsory, with consequences if you refuse to have it . In these tough times I would even agree with forcibly giving it if it was the only option .
Idont see how a vaccine can be effective if 10% don’t have it , besides there don’t seen any other options months of lockdown etc have only moved us further down the road not killed it

[kevinb]

Spurs, that's what lockdown has done, moved it further down the road, without the vaccine the virus will run its course. I'm going to have the vaccine if it's offered, can't see it being forced on people though, vaccination has been the biggest benefit to mankind, I was reading about Joaquin Rodriguez recently the great Spanish composer, blind from the age of three from Diphtheria. Ben Goldacre's  " Bad Science" has an excellent chapter on vaccination, I've often thought this book should be part of schools curriculum.

[puddy-woo]

I dont think I would have the vaccine, No one knows the side affects and a new strain could already be out there anyway.  Maybe the elderly should have it, much like the flu jab.  I would worry if my children had it as well. They are all fit and healthy.  Just my opinion