Travelling to Spain.

[John H]

We all have our views on whether people should be traveling to Spain and indeed other destinations at the moment and I'm sure that for those who have been making the journey or are planning to it has been a decision that many will that thought long and hard over.
From what I have read all members of this site have followed the law in making their journey and have followed the law whilst in GA.
With this in mind any future posts that are critical of those choosing to visit their homes will be removed.
We are getting to a position were folk wanting to share the their experiences of recent visits are feeling uncomfortable in doing so.

Regards all

John

[Blue and white stripes]

Well said John. 100% behind you.

[wilson]

Whilst it is never my intention ( i cant speak for others) to make people uncomfortable, i think its important on a public forum to give a balance of opinions.Many members and visitors rely on forums to give opinion not found elsewhere, some advice is excellent some is not. Many people bigged up and promoted travelling to spain and poured scorn on the doubters, how many were swayed to travelling based on the optimism of others and now on reflection regret theyre decision. As a follower of facebook you will no doubt read the posts of sensible local people who paint a grim picture.

[chris and jackie]

https://www.rtve.es/noticias/20200727/cuantos-brotes-coronavirus-hay-espana/2018947.shtml?fbclid=IwAR22k14fiUbq5DfaFTf2GQ6ruBolUDx4mmkAeNOVFpwyiONR7PdQSzC6ZOs

Link from n332 Facebook which shows the number of cases in various areas. Very low in Alicante area showing it’s safer than most of UK but until FCO changes advice again it won’t make any difference.

[John H]

Whilst it is never my intention ( i cant speak for others) to make people uncomfortable, i think its important on a public forum to give a balance of opinions.Many members and visitors rely on forums to give opinion not found elsewhere, some advice is excellent some is not. Many people bigged up and promoted travelling to spain and poured scorn on the doubters, how many were swayed to travelling based on the optimism of others and now on reflection regret theyre decision. As a follower of facebook you will no doubt read the posts of sensible local people who paint a grim picture.

In that case you need to look elsewhere to find opinions and discussions of whether people should be allowed to travel or not Wilson because it won't be debated on here. People are travelling to Spain quite lawfully.

As I noted earlier we are getting to a position where folk wanting to share the their experiences of recent visits are feeling uncomfortable in doing so.
I am sure that members of the forum will find the experiences of other members visits to GA at the current time very useful in their decision making process of whether to travel to GA or not and for how long.

Regards all

John

[sunseekers]

Opinions and discussions are perfectly acceptable, it’s the personal attacks that aren’t and it seems to be the same keyboard warriors every time.

[Spurs]

Well I braved it went to Spain last Sunday only because I had a water leak from my garden tap reported, which turned int a nightmare but that’s another story. Anyway travelling was fine Stansted was all socially distanced masks on lots of sanitizer . Sat in an empty 3 seat on Jet 2 ,very few on plane certainly not full .Alicante airport was fine visa check temp check etc , came back yesterday same in reverse no issues nothing to worry about visa form and temp check again . All the bars and restaurants I visited were fine it actually felt safer than the UK hated wearing a mask every time you went out but if that’s the rules then so be it Now doing my quarantine . Happy to do it .

[chris and jackie]

Opinions and discussions are perfectly acceptable, it’s the personal attacks that aren’t and it seems to be the same keyboard warriors every time.

Totally agree, there’s 2 in particular who seem to revel in attacking those who travel.

[BeachLife]

You are quite right C&J - it does annoy me when the overall Spain number of circa 34 cases per 100,000 is cited as a reason to quarantine the country. Its somewhere in the region of 4.6 / 100,000 in the Santa Pola / Elche area and significantly less than the UK 14.9 / 100,000 if you count the whole of the Valencian region.

So, its safer to be in GA / Santa Pola than being (on average) in the UK.

UK Government just dont want people to travel - unless you are Grant Shapps of course who couriered out his family to Spain knowing that he was going to have to quarantine when he was leaving on Saturday - bizarre

https://www.rtve.es/noticias/20200727/cuantos-brotes-coronavirus-hay-espana/2018947.shtml?fbclid=IwAR22k14fiUbq5DfaFTf2GQ6ruBolUDx4mmkAeNOVFpwyiONR7PdQSzC6ZOs

Link from n332 Facebook which shows the number of cases in various areas. Very low in Alicante area showing it’s safer than most of UK but until FCO changes advice again it won’t make any difference.

[dleafy]

Flew back yesterday from a place which had 3 deaths on Saturday to one which had 150, and now having to quarantine for 2 weeks against a virus which is 3 times less likely to kill me than ordinary winter flu.
It's been an absolute and utter shambles from start to finish. The peak of this thing was 8th April and we're just starting to wear masks now?
They haven't a scooby doo.

Cheers
Davy !!!

[Blue and white stripes]

I fly out tomorrow (fingers crossed). Statistics say I'll be safer on the terrace in Spain than in the garden at home.

[Derek]

Flew back yesterday from a place which had 3 deaths on Saturday to one which had 150, and now having to quarantine for 2 weeks against a virus which is 3 times less likely to kill me than ordinary winter flu.
It's been an absolute and utter shambles from start to finish. The peak of this thing was 8th April and we're just starting to wear masks now?
They haven't a scooby doo.

Cheers
Davy !!!

Davy. Where do you get the less likely to kill you figures from? Also who are they the ones that don't have a "scooby doo". All political parties in office for England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Island have agreed to current restrictions. The decision was not a political one but was the advice of the scientist who I expect and hope have more than a "scooby do" then you or I.

Derek

Ps. The death rate in the England between 2014 and 2018 resulting from Flu was between 11,875 and 28,330 per year surely the death rate resulting from Coronavirus is greater than this figure.

[Derek]

I arrived back last Sunday the 19th having ridden through France to get to GA. It was noticeable how disciplined the public were throughout my trip on keeping the 2 metre distance and the wearing of Face Masks. I have no signs of having caught  the virus yet. It is a personal choice and everyone needs to mitigate the risks and keep the virus at bay. Would I go against the current Government advice possible not purely as my insurance would not cover me. If I was single then yes but I have to consider my family and the trouble they would have if I was taken ill whilst in Spain.

Derek

[dleafy]

Derek,
The office for national statistics is now stating that total deaths for 2020 are below the average for the last 5 years. The 3 times less likely figure ….from the world health organisation, is actually for everyone. I personally have next to zero chance of dying from COVID-19.

The UK government deciding to advise against all travel to all parts of Spain is, in my opinion, a knee jerk reaction, when both spikes occurred in localised areas.
Add the fact that they did the square root of Jack when spikes appeared in Leicester, Bradford etc and the whole thing smacks of an agenda that we’re not party to.

Scientists are fabulous at giving advice, and governments are wonderful at cherry picking the ones they like. You only have to look at the climate change issue and the fact that over 75,000 ‘scientists’ voted against the Kyoto protocol to realise that. They were ignored!

Having said all that, my opinion hasn’t changed from day 1.
There’s a virus out there. There’s no cure. We’ve all had it or we’re all gonna get it. We need to live with it.

This is the biggest over reaction in the history of mankind.

[Derek]

I don't always believe what I read so I checked out the source of your post.

Deaths from all causes this year to date 362,259

Average over the past 5 years (same period) 309,081

Therefore you have a 17.20% more chance of dying this year than the average of the past 5 years. It would be interesting to understand how you have calculated that the office of national statistics give you a different take on what is presented. Maybe I am looking at it wrong.

See here

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales

PS; Can history be rewritten I wonder. Kyoto Protoco was agreed by 192 countries who signed and ratified it. Only three countries did not sign up to it being Afghanistan, Sudan and the USA.

It is not true there is no cure for people do recover from it. It is not correct that everyone will contract the Coronavirus disease but it is true that there is a risk of death resulting from catching the virus and that is exactly why we all need to be very careful not only for our own health but even if someone catches the virus but does not suffer from any symptoms they can still pass it on to others whom may succumb to it.  Vaccines are being developed which hopefully will allow life to return to normal but until then we all need to be careful for the good of everyone. I saw a few hard nut Brits that were featured on a youtube video taken in Benidorm. One also made the comparison to normal flu.  I am sure the virus does not concern itself with how tough the victim is in its choice to whom to infect next.