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Gran Alacant Forum => General Discussions => Topic started by: chris and jackie on January 19, 2021, 16:05.
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Just seen announcement on n332 that all hospitality closing Thursday, shops shutting 6pm except food, takeaways allowed and looking to start curfew 8pm. Doesn’t look good at present and hospitality business hit again
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I have just looked at the Valencia COVID site
https://icvgva.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3a3115ad642a4516b0928f21e395b32d
I'm shocked:
Alicante 1395 / 100,000
Elche - 1492 / 100,000
Thats pretty desperate
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It's far higher than that in my opinion. In the first and second waves I didn't know anyone who had it. I didn't even know anyone who knew someone else. This time is completely different. It started with the gossip - but frankly from good sources - that various local characters were walking around supermarkets when knowingly positive, drinking in bars even. Next our (Spanish) friends uncles and aunts started getting sick.... friends of friends if you like, but then it was their parents, the parents of my sons school classmates, and lastly our own relatives here in Spain. It's out of the box now folks. Herd immunity or bust I think. Last I heard they weren't even running PCR tests anymore. They just tell you to stay at home and call them if you can't breath.
Still, on the bright side I hear that vaccinated folks in the UK are already booking flights.
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One of my old friends in the area posted on Facebook the other day of his experience of catching Covid and the feelings and emotions he went through as he thought that his days were numbered, a harrowing read from a very fit man many years younger than me. I know of two old friends in the area in hospital in Elche at the moment.....as gaveteran says it is completely differrent this time.
Don't worry gaveteran I dont have any flights booked, as i said a couple of weeks ago I dont think our suitcases will be at the best getting packed for any type of holiday until October time.
Stay safe everyone
John
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I don’t have any bags packed either GA Veteran You are right about It feeling closer this time in the first wave we didn’t know anyone who caught it now I knew two people who have died and a few who have been in hospital and quite a few who have positive tests . Can’t believe we’ll actually I can that people who know they have it are out and about ,totally irresponsible
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I was reading that if you contract the virus and survive you in general get good immunity, so in the UK with infections running at approximately 50k a day and vaccinations at 230k a day we could find that the virus will burn itself out quicker than expected . I think booking for flights to Spain is huge act of faith for the future, I think if permitted I'll be driving to GA this year if and when mainland Europe opens up.
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We haven’t been since last January, next flights are scheduled for June which I’m slightly optimistic about as hopefully cases will be well reduced by April
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Just received a telephone call from the NHS here in the UK. Vaccination scheduled for next Tuesday.
Unbelievable task that they have but so well organised.
Light at the far end of the tunnel. Hopefully the Spanish health service also has its back side in gear as this appears to be the only route out of the current pandemic (returning to normality).
Derek
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We too haven’t been since last January, next flights are scheduled for June which I’m slightly optimistic about as hopefully cases will be reducing and fingers crossed we will have had the jab around April.
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I see a potential problem in Spain’s vaccination program, they quite rightly want to vaccinate everyone by the end of the year including all the homeless and the millions of people who apparently reside in Spain illegally. Currently in the uk it’s a race to vaccinate as many as possible before any more new strains take off, with Spain’s longer term plan I’m not quite sure if it will have the desired effect.
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Hi Wilson
It is so good (news) that they care about those less fortunate and are going to offer the life saving vaccine to all. Well done Spain.
Derek
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Wilson
The UK approach is driven by a calculator. Vaccinate those at most risk of serious illness from the virus reduces the demand for hospital beds and reduces the death rate. Therefore by 15th February (3 weeks later) the UK would have prevented over 95% of the deaths caused by the virus. Well done Boris and his team. Quite how we deal with our homeless and others I don't know but I certainly hope they are not excluded.
Derek
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I see various travel companies, Qatar airlines, Saga cruises yesterday have stated that vaccinations certificate will be required to travel and others are expected to follow suit. Not sure what that will mean for younger travelers who are back of queue for vaccinations
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Does the UK issue vaccine certificates at the moment?
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hi W.B.A
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w.b.a CAN'T see certificate being issued till u have had the 2nd jab
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I see various travel companies, Qatar airlines, Saga cruises yesterday have stated that vaccinations certificate will be required to travel and others are expected to follow suit. Not sure what that will mean for younger travelers who are back of queue for vaccinations
Whilst agreeing in principle that a vaccination certificate or passport would be a good thing the practicalities of devising one and having it accepted are massively against.
Any certificate that can be easily reproduced can be quickly forged, and any certificate that could confound fraudsters will be expensive to produce. The Equality Act has a legal concept of "protected characteristics" so young people, pregnant women, religious objectors, mental impairment etc could claim discrimination. The law would have to be changed to allow discrimination against non vaccinated people - unlikely to happen.
Also a vaccine doesn't stop you getting or passing on Covid; it only protects you against the worst of the effects.
Vaccinations and infections leading to herd immunity seems the only way out; but as the rest of the world requires vaccination at some point to clear the reservoir of hosts, there's a long way to go yet.
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Slightly different I know but on the last cruise we went on it was a requirement to have had a yellow fever jab. This was authenticated at check-in and the boarding cards of those who hadn't had it were disabled. At one of the ports (possible Panama) they couldn't leave the ship.
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All my mum got was a card stating the date she had had the vaccine and an indicator to say if it was the first or second jab.
As previously stated it would be easily forged, its not embossed or watermarked in any way
... and to add to the disparity Mrs BL's mum also has had it done - no card issued just a leaflet explaining what she has had done
My guess is that all this is looged against your NHS number and at some point in the future IF we need to prove vaccination we could get a formal document referenced against your history.
Does the UK issue vaccine certificates at the moment?
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I agree with you Wilson - this late, slow and (from what I have read) bureaucratic approach in Spain isn't going to get the job done quickly enough to prevent a serious escalation in cases. There hopes to catch everyone on the fringes of society is going to slow the process down. Plus they have a very vaccine skeptic population which wont help
Worrying
I see a potential problem in Spain’s vaccination program, they quite rightly want to vaccinate everyone by the end of the year including all the homeless and the millions of people who apparently reside in Spain illegally. Currently in the uk it’s a race to vaccinate as many as possible before any more new strains take off, with Spain’s longer term plan I’m not quite sure if it will have the desired effect.
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Dave believe me that should the system require this data then it will be a mere couple of key strokes to drop your vaccination history which is linked to your nhs number which you have to give to get your jab,which can be linked to your passport which if you renewed is now linked to your driving license which is linked to your dwp record which is linked to hmrc the list goes on. And if you’ve travelled to the USA then your fingerprints and retinal scans are also included. This is fact in the western world for many years collecting of information which if used properly can be a good thing.
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This is interesting;
6TH UPDATE OF THE COVID19 RESTRICTIONS GUIDE (VALENCIAN COMMUNITY)
We publish the sixth update of this guide, which include the new regulations issued yesterday by the Generalitat Valenciana, which took effect throughout the entire Valencian Community at 00:00 on Thursday 21st of January 2021.
The duration of these measures is initially scheduled for 14 days, until the 3rd of February 2021. The most important changes are:
1. Total closure of bars, restaurants and cafeterias, except for home delivery or takeaway services, as well as catering services in hospitals and clinics, hotel establishments and other essentials services.
2. Closing of shops at 18:00, except food establishments, pharmacies and other establishments that are considered essential.
3. Closure of all sports facilities (sports centres, gyms, etc.), except for professional athletes.
4. Closing of bingo halls, casinos, arcades...
5. The perimeter confinement of the Valencian Community continues, as well as the curfew from 22:00 until 6:00.
6. The confinement of 29 municipalities in the Valencian Community, 3 of them the province of Alicante (Alcoy, Castalla and Polop), is NO LONGER IN FORCE.
The complete guide can be viewed and downloaded in PDF format on the following link: http://bit.ly/2XZDKL7
In light blue we have highlighted the modifications that have been made from the 5th version of the guide.
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Reports in el pais yesterday saying vaccinations roll out dogged by allegations of queue jumping, bad organization etc, lots of mayors, wives, families of health workers getting jab before elderly!! Who would have thought it in Spain !
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Spain Won’t Welcome Tourists Until ‘The End Of The Summer’
The Prime Minister of Spain delivered another blow to the tourism industry by declaring that he doesn’t expect to welcome tourists to Spanish shores until nearly all of the population has been vaccinated. Speaking at the 113th meeting of the Executive Council of the World Tourism Organization (UNWTO) held in Madrid on Wednesday, January 20, Mr Sanchez said: “Only mass vaccination will open the way to the normality we want.”
The Prime Minister went on to say that once 70 per cent of Spain’s population had been vaccinated, which he expects to happen by the end of the 2021 summer season, the country would “progressively” prepare to welcome international tourists.
Pointing out that Spain is leading in the vaccine rollout, being ninth in the world and one of the first in Europe, Mr Sanchez added that our country will be “the beacon of the resurrection of tourism in all the world” and that the action the tourism industry takes now “will draw the tourism of the future.”
Looks like my prediction of Mrs H and i not being able to pack our cases until October wasn't too far off the mark.
Regards all
John
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If that happens I predict rioting in the streets from Benidorm hoteliers.
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Reports in el pais yesterday saying vaccinations roll out dogged by allegations of queue jumping, bad organization etc, lots of mayors, wives, families of health workers getting jab before elderly!! Who would have thought it in Spain !
"Spain is leading the way" eh ?
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If that happens I predict rioting in the streets from Benidorm hoteliers.
They marched through Elche last night !
It’s very easy for governments across the world to impose these restrictions, but I doubt there’ll be very many politicians taking a drop of income because of them.
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The present Spanish administration is hanging on by a thread at present and once cases reduce I would be surprised if there’s not a push to get rid of the PM and/or his party