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Gran Alacant Forum => General Discussions => Topic started by: Teamkruuse on May 21, 2016, 09:57.
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Altomar 2
Unfortunately more and more people are building strange building on top of their roof terrace/solarium
that totally covers there solarium and totally ruin/destroy the wonderful views for the other residents!
Buildings in aluminum and glass more than 2 meters high are more and more common >:(
Does anybody know what the rules are?
And does anybody knows who to talk to if this happens?
kind regards
Teamkruuse
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There will be people on here who are closer to Community Rules than me - but my take on it is this:
Firstly they will need to have sought permission of the Community itself via the Admin or President - and if given (very unlikely) will need to have paid a small fee to Santa Pola for planning agreement
The chances are that they have done none of that - so, if your up for it go for a "Denuncia" - that will work and you can get the thing taken down (unless as I said it has all been agreed by the community)
Denuncias do work - I've seen it done with someone sticking aircon compressors by a neighbours window - removed very quickly after the denuncia arrived
Over to the experts !! .......
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Does anybody know whos the President for Altomar 2?
And does he speak and undestand english?
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If I remember its Gestifinc - As Aficionado posted on another thread:
info@afgestifinc.com
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Your right there are roof extentions popping up everywhere, i saw one on monte mar the other day who is now blocking the neighbours sea view. Sadly whilst properties are sold with a view thus commanding higher prices you dont own that view, many front line developments subsequently become second or even third line. Masa are notorious for years later developing in front of there previous development.
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From past experience on Altomar 2 you have no chance of getting them removed. As briefly as I can I will tell you what happened to us when our new Spanish neighbours said they were going to build on their solarium. They bought the repossessed property very cheaply so could afford this.
Asked Gestifinc if this was allowed as it would block our view, and told them it was going to happen, they said no they cannot do that.
The building started, we sent photos, no comment from Gestifinc to this except that we should denounce them, we said they are the Administrators so they should do something. We asked Gestifinc if they or the Commitee had given permission, no reply to that.
We invited Gestifinc, the President and and Commitee to come to our property several times to see what it was like, of course no one ever came.
The building was completed, granted from the road side it doesn't look too bad, but part
of the view we had paid extra for was gone.
3 English neighbours denounced the owners, but they were still given permission by Santa Pola council We did mention our missing view and there was a shrugging of shoulders as much as to say so what.
2 years later the Spanish couple moved selling at a profit. Unfortunately we still have our missing view.
Hope this helps.
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So the complaint or “Denuncia”
Didn’t help at all?
That’s what you are saying!
When we bought our house
We were told that the only thing that was allowed was an awning
It was not legal to obstruct the view for other residents
We got to find a way to stop these Klondike buildings
Maybe if we made a gathered complain to the Santa Pola council
Maybe this could help us!
Do you know if this has been discussed on the General meeting?
Have you been to one of those?
What language is used on these meetings?
Spanish of course but do they also translate it to us who doesn’t speak Spanish?
Does anybody know that?
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There is an A G M meeting every year and as far as we know the problem solarium building has never been discussed. We get report on this afterwards in English, we'll sort of English but you can get the idea of what happened. Anyone can go to this meeting.
There are also monthly meetings between Gestifinc and the Commitee, we asked for our problem to be discussed at these meetings, when we asked for the outcome we were just told that they never managed to discuss it because of other more urgent matters.! The Commitee is made up of Spanish and English, you get no info on what is discussed.
We had an ex Vice Chairman of the Commitee living nearby who we did manage to persuade to look at the building, he just said denounce them.
If you look on the top of an Altomar 2 home across from the market there is a very large building, rumour has it that he was allowed to build this because he got permission from his neighbours, but that us just hearsay to us. We never gave any permission to our neighbours.
It seems to us, but we may be wrong, that if you are English, forget any complaints about the Spanish.
Just as an aside unlike many on our Urb. We have never missed a payment of our Community fees.
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Ok
This meeting take place end July start August as far as I know:)
Hasn't anybody participated?
I will bee there this year
My vacation is at that time
And I will for sure participated
Anybody has any good suggestions on how to deal with this?
I will for sure try to talk about this subject
Are there other from our community who's participating?
Let's put a stop to this together ;)
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I would advise pror notification to your committee in order to include it in the AGM agenda.
That way it can be voted on & not put in abeyance till next year.
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Does anybody know how long time before I have to advise the comitteee
and do I need to send it in spanish to?
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Our neighbours' extension cut off our winter sun. We haven't seen them for three years.
Keith
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Teamkrusse, you asked earlier who the leader of our community is, I will send you a PM with details of those elected/re-elected for the current year at the AGM last year (1st August) , you might want to try calling with one or other next time you are out.
Michael.
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Hello
Does anybody know if both the President and the Vicepresident speaks english
and
Does anybody know if these guys live in GA all year ?
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We had a Spaniard build a wooden bedroom on his solarium on our block, we got it removed.
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Hey Kevin
How did you got that arranged
Who did you contact?
And how long time did it take before you got it removed?
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There was a guy on Puerto marino who had built a "temporary " building which got progressively bigger each year on his solarium probably 10 years ago. Whether it was the original neighbours or new owners it appeared on the annual agm last year and this easter he was lowering the roof height so the neighbours view was restored. The decision was nothing actually nothing to do with the view but solely that no permission was initially granted as is so often the case. On speaking with spanish friends i think its more a cultural case of rules are there to be ignored unlike the brits who generally tend to follow them.
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Hi Teamkruuse, obviously I don't know how your community works, I've served on the management board of our community and have learnt a few things as a result of this.
One of my first big learnings was how powerful the president can be.....basically if the president says jump the administrators reply is "how high"
We had one president who did "illegal" things including using "black labour", that is no receipts, cash in hand, you get my drift......we've now had written into the constitution that nothing illegal can be done.
On our community to limit the power of the president everything out of the normal is to be discussed and voted on at a management board meeting.....held about every six weeks, consisting of president, Vice President and four board members......the administrator is there in an advisory role.
If on our community people had been building on their roofs the administrator would explain to us if this was legal or not dependent on the construction, we as a board would decide what action should be taken, the administrator would advice us how we could do this and the stages/costs involved in doing so.
So what I would recommend is that you and your neighbours all write to your administrator, president, Vice President and board members demanding that this topic to be on the agenda at the next community board meeting and at the AGM with details of the action that can be taken. Armed with this information a vote can be taken
Legally you have the right to present motions for the vote of other members.
He who shouts loudest gets heard
Regards all
John
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How many of you Altomar 2 Residents are attending to the meeting this year ?
I hope many of you residents show up !
I will try to get GranAlacant magazine to bring an article about this issue in there next edition :) 8)
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I do not live in altomar II, but recently we applied to Santa Pola council for a license to build a small sympathetic extension on our solarium ( similar to a conservatory).
We had a meeting with the town architect who said, it is completely forbidden to build on a solarium! Yes you can build on a balcony but only with special conditions. As someone else has written, the only thing you can put on a solarium is a wall mounted awning. Not even gazebo type awnings!
He pulled up google view of our urbanisation and others, and pointed to all the things that were illegal. They will eventually all be fined/demolished
He was very pleasant and even sympathetic but warned against, just building with a minor works permission from the urbanisation. The amnesty period has been extended from five to fifteen years! and these days most illegal builds end in not only a fine but also a demolition order! We considered this to be too risky to proceed.
Another interesting snippet- for many years you did not need permission for extensions that could be dismantled i.e. were not built of concrete, bricks or tiles, for example a conservatory, . This has now changed to if it keeps out rain you need permission!
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Hello
Does anybody know the President and the Vice-president’s email address?
Kind regards Teamkruuse 8)
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Hey everybody
The subject is in the Gran Alacant magazine July edition
Use this link to read it
It´s on page 4 :)
http://www.granalacantadvertiser.com/latest-edition/
Remember to join the General Meeting ;)
This is on the agenda
Building on top of roof terrace/solarium Altomar 2
So show up and let’s have a nice discussion about what’s ok and what’s not :)
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Finally here it is the
ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING CALL
OWNER’S COMMUNITY:
ALTOMAR II
AV ESCANDINAVIA 72
SANTA POLA
Dear owner:
Following the instructions of the Community’s President and according to the article 16.2 of the current Horizontal Property Law, through the following, you are kindly asked to attend the Annual General Meeting that will be held next: Saturday JULY THE 30TH , 2016 at 10:00 hours in first calling, and at 10:30 hours in second, in the HALL OF SANTARA RESORT & SPA in street Monte de Santa Pola (old Life Resort), to deal with the following AGENDA:
1. INCOMES AND EXPENSES LIQUIDATION 01/07/2016
2. OUTSTANDING FEES CLAIMS. DEBT LIQUIDATION. AGREEMENTS
3. ORDINARY AND EXTRAORDINARY EXPENSES BUDGET FROM 01/07/2016 TO 30/06/2017
4. DIRECTIVE CHARGES RENEWAL OR RATIFY.
5. INSTALLATION OF QUIMICAL TOILET DURING THE SUMMER SEASON IN THE COMMUNITY SWIMMING POOLS. AGREEMENTS.
6. INFORMATION ABOUT THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE AESTHETIC ALTERATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. INFO Building on top of roof terrace/solarium !
7. ANALYSIS OF THE OF THE PROBLEMS OF CIRCULATION AND CAR PARKING IN THE COMMUNITY.
8. ANY OTHER BUSSINESS
Please show up and lets have a debate about the issue :)
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We have only managed 2 meetings in the years we have lived in G.A. Like many we head away from the area for a couple of months Mid July.
If you cannot attend you can ask someone to be your proxy voter, but make sure they agree with your views. The other way to say yes or no to a point is to e-mail Gestifinc on the form they send with the Agenda, or even without your form, if you feel strongly about any point, e-mail them a,s.a.p.
As for debating anything, good luck with that, the majority of people at the meeting when we went were the Spanish and others who own houses, but only visit for one month in summer, they are the ones who get heard the most, not the others who live there most of the year. If you have not been to a meeting yet, suggest you take food and drink, it can go on and on!!
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Please remember
If you cannot attend
you can ask someone to be your proxy voter, but make sure they agree with your views.
The other way to say yes or no to a point is to e-mail Gestifinc on the form they send with the Agenda, or even without your form, if you feel strongly about any point, e-mail them a,s.a.p. 8)
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yes i can remember the a.g.ms when we lived there it goes on for so long untill most people get fed up waiting to get things sorted so they leave then all the spanish are left then they vote ,you must stick it out all the way it can also be very funny with translators getting things wrong that hold the meeting up as well as denrose say take food and drink , enjoy
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would appear the Ministery of Finance in Spain is taking a keen interest :-)
http://www.elmundo.es/economia/2016/07/26/579621d6e5fdea243f8b4620.html
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would appear the Ministery of Finance in Spain is taking a keen interest :-)
http://www.elmundo.es/economia/2016/07/26/579621d6e5fdea243f8b4620.html
Interesting article - with an overall return on their "investment" in staff etc of 16:1, I would expect this campaign to keep on going for a while yet.
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Nice article :)
And I am only complaining about the strange buildings on the rooftop / solarium
Wauu big figures and a lot of money too
I hope that we can stop this nonsense in Altomar 2 right now! >:(