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Title: brexit
Post by: angieanded on May 20, 2016, 15:58.: i heard some expat in italy is going to the euopean court to get the thing changed about the 15 year
policy that your not allowed to vote dont know if he wil get any news back before it happens
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: puddy-woo on May 20, 2016, 16:14.: Jeremy Paxman was rather interesting in tv last night

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: angieanded on May 20, 2016, 16:51.: i hear from facebook that the english media has been bard from doing any news on the riots in france thats going on
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Stan on May 20, 2016, 16:55.: Quote from: angieanded on May 20, 2016, 16:51.
i hear from facebook that the english media has been bard from doing any news on the riots in france thats going on
Why? Are they making up poetry about the riots?
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Post by: bertdove on May 20, 2016, 20:27.: There´s no rhyme or reason to what some people post on Facebook!

Bert
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Post by: John H on May 20, 2016, 20:37.: Spot on Bert, some complete and utter tosh
I saw the same post, no mention it was about changes to labour relations rules re lay offs etc, according to the numpty who hijacked the story it was all about racial unrest

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John

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: dleafy on May 20, 2016, 21:16.: After months of nightly news about migrants, there's been absolutely zilch about it on TV lately.
It's obviously a blatant attempt to swing the vote to the remain camp.
You watch....June 24th, we'll be back to wall to wall coverage!
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Post by: kevinb on May 20, 2016, 22:35.: No longer trust the BBC to be impartial anymore, been infiltrated by the left wing.
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Post by: bertdove on May 20, 2016, 23:09.: Best stick with the impartial Daily Mail, then.

Bert
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Post by: dleafy on May 20, 2016, 23:23.: The Daily Mail definitely spouts right wing nonsense. But at least they're saying something.
The silence from the mainstream media is very worrying giving their willingness to show video of dead kids one minute and nothing the next.
it stinks to be honest!
We'll see whether there's a plot or not after the referendum!
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Corporal Jones on May 21, 2016, 08:17.: That's the problem with democracy letting 50 million people have a vote each, the establishment and the minority with a vested interest in the status quo remaining clearly aren't happy that joe public might upset their apple cart.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Tony Gillam on May 21, 2016, 08:31.: ‘Won’t you join our Common Market?’ said the spider to the fly,
‘It really is a winner and the cost is not too high’
‘I know De Gaulle said ’’ Non’’, but he hadn’t got a clue,
‘We want you in, my friends and I, for we have big plans for you.

‘You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now,
‘As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new milch cow,
‘It’s just a continental term, believe me , mon ami,
‘Like ‘’Vive le France’’ or ‘’Mad Anglaise’’ or even ‘’E.E.C.’’.

‘As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few
‘You’ll find that we ignore them - but they do apply to you.
‘Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about,
‘You do all the giving, and we all share it out.

‘It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need?
‘You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede,
‘So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side,
‘Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride’
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: John H on May 21, 2016, 08:41.: Roald Dahl's got nowt on these guys and their fairy stories
Osbourne is telling us house prices will collapse by 20% if we Brexit, Gove is telling us that 5,000,000 will come rushing to our shores if we Brin.

One thing is for sure this referendum has clearly shown is that we have idiots running our country

The biggest frightener to Brexit is the idiots who might move into Downing St

Regards all

John

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Spurs on May 21, 2016, 09:40.: With you there John my gut instinct is to vote to leave but I am thinking of voting to stay to keep that idiot Boris out of number 10 . I can't see Cameron surviving an exit vote and then we get an unelected boris and gove combination very scary
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Post by: BeachLife on May 21, 2016, 10:25.: Like Spurs and John - only one thing worries me more about the vote and that is Boris getting in.

I dont know how anyone takes him seriously - but then as I said before I cant work out why anyone gives Trump airtime either
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Post by: Corporal Jones on May 21, 2016, 11:56.: That's the point of a democracy it doesnt matter whether its Boris or Donald they both appeal to millions of ordinary joe public, that's what scares the establishment.
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Post by: Spurs on May 21, 2016, 12:09.: Democracy or not we can't have coco the clown as prime minister we would be the laughing stock of the world
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Post by: Corporal Jones on May 21, 2016, 14:22.: I dont know about Coco the yanks have had the terminator, Rowdy Yates and some guy off spitting image running there country so weve got plenty of catching up to do.
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Post by: kevinb on May 21, 2016, 15:15.: Well Bert would rather have a right wing government than the left , Gordon Brown and Co bankrupted us with his overspending, say what you like about the current government but we have good growth and high employment, if we get Labour in again it will be disastrous, so I will stick with the Daily Mail .
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Post by: Tony Gillam on May 22, 2016, 07:14.: Don't be deceived. Boris is no fool despite his projected bumbling persona.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Keith and Jen on May 22, 2016, 08:17.: Whoever gets into Downing St. we can get rid of them within 5 years max.
Can we get rid of our unelected masters in Brussels?

Keith
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: kevinb on May 24, 2016, 18:18.: That's right Keith, Boris would be temporary, the EU isn't , I like Boris, we have had strange PMs before , Disraeli for example and Boris is far preferably to Corbyn
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Post by: Luton town on May 24, 2016, 21:16.: Hi Guys ....serious question...
I would ordinarily vote to leave ....however one thing worries me and that is ..will the Spanish Government screw us over if we are no longer under the protection of the European Government.....
Obviously those of you registered as Spanish citizens will be protected but what about those of us that are "part timers" ie still living in the UK ?
I seem to remember a while ago an extra Tax that was levied on "part timers" being deemed illigal by the European Government....
Apologies if this question has been raised before.
Luton
Title: brexit
Post by: John H on May 24, 2016, 21:31.: Depends whether you believe Gove or Cameron Ian!!
Truth is no one knows how we will be treated if it's Brexit, best guess is the EHIC will be out of the door and that in the short term the £ will collapse.
Apparently flights might cost a few quid more.
Importantly the Spanish will still welcome us with open arms and will love to see us continuing to spend our hard earned

Regards all

John

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Luton town on May 24, 2016, 22:03.: "No one Knows" ....my worry exactly
This I think will be the determining factor in the ballot box John
Better the devil you know and all that ....unfortunately
I will be voting to stay in ...for this very point.
Luton
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Post by: John H on May 24, 2016, 22:11.: I'm also voting In Ian, for me personally it doesn't make a lot of difference which way the vote goes, but for my grandson and all the other youngsters I believe they have a brighter future if we stay in.

Hope all's well

Regards all

John

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: kevinb on May 24, 2016, 23:02.: The Spanish need the Brits so not unduly worried, to me the vote is simple, its nothing to do with money or immigration, its giving up hard won self rule, a fundamental principle, I could not live with myself if I voted in.
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Post by: Corporal Jones on May 24, 2016, 23:10.: A good job Winnie didnt think better the devil you know in 1940, but thinking about it if im going to lose my really valuable ehic card then that might swing me.
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Post by: Tony Gillam on May 25, 2016, 06:56.: Like Mr Bannatyne, I'm out. An "out" vote will, IMHO, precipitate the collapse of the EU as we know it now and perhaps a more realistic organisation will arise from the ashes. The League of Nations was a good idea poorly implemented and was ultimately replaced by the UN which, whilst not perfect is a whole lot better.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: llamedos on May 25, 2016, 09:29.: The Spanish know there are over a million of us living out here permanently bringing in billions to the economy, so I'm sure there's a 'Sun tax' of some sort on the cards should we vote out.
And that's not anti our 'hosts', just being realistic as they love a tax.
Title: brexit
Post by: angieanded on May 25, 2016, 13:00.: Post removed
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Stuart159 on May 25, 2016, 14:12.: angieanded. Just wow! 👎🏽
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Luton town on May 25, 2016, 14:18.: Quote from: llamedos on May 25, 2016, 09:29.
The Spanish know there are over a million of us living out here permanently bringing in billions to the economy, so I'm sure there's a 'Sun tax' of some sort on the cards should we vote out.
And that's not anti our 'hosts', just being realistic as they love a tax.
My point and my worry ....thank you for the reply
Luton
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Post by: puddy-woo on May 25, 2016, 16:26.: (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160525/a481c0286e632419dec490b1f0d22b5e.jpg)

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: sunseekers on May 25, 2016, 16:34.: Seconded John, our futures are already in place, we have already worked, saved, invested in pensions and are ready to enjoy our retirement, my worries and desires for a future are most of all for my two daughters and five grandsons, all of whom deserve the same sort of opportunities that only a united, integrated europe will give, in my opionion, in all the way to the polls for us both.
Hazel
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: angieanded on May 25, 2016, 18:41.: i also see today that due to my post that has now been removed we have no free speach we are not alowed to fly the st georges flag
a lady is told to take down the union jack in england her own country because it upset the ethnic mynority in her town my point stands
very clear
Title: brexit
Post by: John H on May 25, 2016, 19:14.: Freedom of speech is one thing angieanded, posting about the colour of people's skin and how you believe that should limit their choices in life is another.
I recommend you check the forum rules

Regards all

John

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Corporal Jones on May 25, 2016, 19:47.: Hmmm very strange thought process, if retiring now you would have been born in the forties or early fifties, i dont recall an integrated europe most of it was in ashes. The opportunities were there for britain saddled with huge war debt and a lost generation to prosper and thats what we did, we rose again. All this was done before the EU.
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Post by: sunseekers on May 25, 2016, 21:20.: Nothing strange about my thought process. I was born in the late 1950s and have to confess to not being politically aware as a child. My own awareness of world affairs really developed after school in college. I started work in 1976 which i believe is a year after we voted into europe so i base my experiences and opinions upon my own working lifetime, earlier than that i may have to leave to your memory.
As for my pension age, i never said i was reliant on a state pension, i have other pension arrangements too, planned and paid for and due to come to fruition soon.
As far as how britain prospered after the war, we lived in a very different world then, and we live in a much more globalised economy now. I base my opinions, which i have always said are my own, everyone is entitled to theirs, on the present and not the past.
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Post by: Tony Gillam on May 26, 2016, 07:32.: I posted yesterday that I was out. Having watched https://www.brexitthemovie.com/ (https://www.brexitthemovie.com/), I am even more convinced. Before you "Inners" just pass over it, I would urge you to watch it even though it is just over an hour long. The concept of the EEC is brilliant but the monster that the EU has become needs killing off in order that a better implementation may arise from the ashes.
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Post by: Keith and Jen on May 26, 2016, 07:59.: In the '70s we voted to stay in a Common Market - no tarrifs, no trade barriers.
We did not vote for a political union or a European superstate and loss of UK sovereignty.
I'm in favour of a common market but not the EU.

Keith
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Post by: sunseekers on May 26, 2016, 10:30.: when the referendum was held in 1975 an act of parliament had already given political and lawmaking powers to europe in a move enabling us to join, but the europe then was much smaller i completely agree, and gets ever more complicated with its increasing size.
I will look at your programme tony, and have another one to catch up on too, i am looking at both sides. I dont agree with everything that happens as part of europe but simply think its our best option. I think there are changes to be made but would like to have some influence on those changes.
I would like to wish everyone good luck whichever way they vote, its a personal choice for everyone,and, whichever decision is made, i will look forward to moving on with everyone too.
Hazel
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Post by: kevinb on May 27, 2016, 09:54.: Anyone see "How to get a council house"on CH4 the other day, a Romanian guy enters the UK with no job or offer, he does various menial jobs and then sends for his wife and three kids, Hounslow council find a four bedroom house for him in Birmingham at a cost to the tax payer of £750 a months plus all the other benefits, five weeks down the line the guy has no job, the housing officer tells us this is a growing problem that is getting worse as there is already a housing shortage, we will never be able to build enough houses so prices and rents will rise, wonderful for our kids, the government had wanted to change the regulations so that no immigrant would be able to claim a penny for four years which would have stopped all this abuse of the system but the EU over ruled, just another example of how the EU is creating problems for us.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: puddy-woo on May 27, 2016, 10:13.: I struggle to watch those programmes. Have recorded the one about the demise of the cockney but not sure I can face it yet. Makes my blood boil

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Post by: kevinb on May 27, 2016, 10:31.: Me to Puddy-Woo, when i worked in Barking Essex eight years ago I made friends with a number of people from Dagenham and Beckton and am still in contact with a few, lot of them very disturbed about their living enviroment, even eight years ago they had a group of immigrants in Dagenham who managed to get housing association houses, they then moved into one house and sublet rooms in the other places, this was within weeks of taking possession of these houses, I know we get the same problems with our own nationals but it only adds to the problems, I also do notice that the people who are in favour of all this so called multiculturism don't tend to live in the areas most affected by it.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: puddy-woo on May 27, 2016, 14:16.: Indeed but they soon will be. If not them then defo their children :(

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Title: brexit
Post by: John H on May 27, 2016, 15:10.: Please remember this is GAsbags, a forum to chat about GA and surrounding areas.
No problems in debating Brexit and how it might influence us here in Spain, but this isn't the place to debate UK /EU immigration policies .

Thanks

John

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Post by: puddy-woo on May 27, 2016, 15:29.: Point taken and noted John although for me because of the way I now feel about the England it is not just the weather that makes me look to spending a lot of my time in Spain when I retire. So there is some GA relevance in there

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Dougal on May 28, 2016, 14:02.: I don't think the final result will have much difference as to who we end up with in No.10; only the timescale. Cameron has stated he will be leaving anyway so the same contestants will be fighting for the post. I agree with the comment in an earlier posting that governments and party leaders can be changed. Remaining locked in the EU with all the possible future problems will not be so.
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Post by: Spurs on June 21, 2016, 19:09.: A couple of days to go now how do you think it will turnout I'm starting to think we may be staying in !! But I think it will go down to the wire
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Post by: John H on June 21, 2016, 20:28.: Well the markets, both stocks and currency are indicating that we will be staying in
Fingers crossed they've got it right

Regards all

John
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Post by: llamedos on June 21, 2016, 21:04.: 1.30 on XE which is good.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: John H on June 23, 2016, 12:39.: I sat down with a sheet of paper this morning to collect my thoughts on how I should vote
I voted out with a heavy heart.
As much as I love the idea of the EU I think the bureaucrats in Brussels have an agenda to rule Europe, something I can't agree with.
A great idea gone sadly wrong

Regards all

John

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: puddy-woo on June 23, 2016, 12:59.: A friend of mine just went to vote (not in my area) but he went to use his own pen and the guy there was most insistent he use a pencil. He said everyone had to use pencil??? Very odd. He pressed down hard obviously

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: John H on June 23, 2016, 13:02.: I have never seen so many people going to vote, looks like it will be one hell of a turnout

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: puddy-woo on June 23, 2016, 15:19.: With all these European countries lighting up various buildings with Union Jacks showing their support for Remain. Jeez if we do get the Out vote it will be an outstanding achievement by the british public (in my opinion).

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Stuart159 on June 23, 2016, 16:32.: If we leave, will I be able to send the kids to work down the mine or cleaning chimneys? Will save me a fortune if they can earn their keep.
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Post by: puddy-woo on June 23, 2016, 16:36.: Well they might have to. They certainly wont be able to get a job in Costas or Starbucks and the like when they reach college age and are looking for part time work. Trust me I know!!!

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: llamedos on June 23, 2016, 18:50.: Quote from: puddy-woo on June 23, 2016, 12:59.
A friend of mine just went to vote (not in my area) but he went to use his own pen and the guy there was most insistent he use a pencil. He said everyone had to use pencil??? Very odd. He pressed down hard obviously

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Friends of mine said they took their own pens to use as there's a fear of erasures.
Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Alicante Holiday Villas on June 23, 2016, 19:37.: Isn't a pencil the normal means of voting? I remember that there was always one in the booth, attached to a bit of string!
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Post by: Spurs on June 24, 2016, 06:37.: Wow the cat is definately amongst the pigeons now !! Looks like out
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Post by: puddy-woo on June 24, 2016, 07:57.: Im am shocked, happy , nervous and actually quite emotional. Lets see what the future holds.

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Title: Re: brexit
Post by: Denise on June 24, 2016, 09:51.: It's a monumental day...hold on tight. ...some interesting times ahead .
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Post by: Keith and Jen on June 24, 2016, 11:46.: AHV asked: "Isn't a pencil the normal means of voting? I remember that there was always one in the booth, attached to a bit of string!"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/use-pencils-vote-can-you-8267551

Keith