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Gran Alacant Forum => General Discussions => Topic started by: Lolabunny on April 30, 2021, 18:29.
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Hi there, does anyone know where the Centre PAB is in Santa Pola...just had text for an appointment but don’t recognise the centre. Many thanks.
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Eureka!!!! found it. It is the sports centre on the Elche road just out of Santa Pola.. it’s called Pabillon Lara Gonzales.
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What age groups are they down to in SpIn with vaccinations now . In UK we are anyone over 40 now
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There have been 60 to 65 year olds being done and they are just about to start in the 66 to 69 year olds, but most seventy to 80 year olds have not been jabbed yet because they cant have the astra zeneca jab (astrazeneca was available to ages 60 to 69 but not older so they started on to 60 to 69 before 70s, ) so still a way off being finished in the over 60s and over 70s age groups. Hope thats not too complicated to understand
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EU has got its self into a mess over the Astra Zeneca vaccine . Spain won’t give it to the older people Germany only gives it to older people .
Yet the facts still say it’s no worse or better on any age range than Pfizer or Moderna and it’s better than Johnson vaccine
And over 25 million have had jab with less than 100 developing major blood clot issues. That’s better than the contraceptive pill and even paracetamol.
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EU has got its self into a mess over the Astra Zeneca vaccine . Spain won’t give it to the older people Germany only gives it to older people .
Yet the facts still say it’s no worse or better on any age range than Pfizer or Moderna and it’s better than Johnson vaccine
And over 25 million have had jab with less than 100 developing major blood clot issues. That’s better than the contraceptive pill and even paracetamol.
Spot on - a whole lot of politically motivated fuss over nothing, meanwhile people will die because of it. I have had both my AZ jabs now and happier for it, will take my chances on a clot.
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There's a good article in el pais about it, Spain can't even decide whether those who have had a first AZ vaccine will get the second AZ, a different one or none at all whilst some are already at 12 weeks after first one.
Absolute shambles a bit like most of EU!!
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Spain are giving it to older people Spurs its now the younger ones that can’t have it, my husband and I are in our sixties and we've both had it, but equally Chris and Jackie are right when they say they don't know what they're doing about the second, we have heard we will be waiting the longer time period like the UK have been doing, and have also heard that this could well be a different vaccine, we would be happy to have a second astra zeneca
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Yeah I’ve just read that they are now using it only on 60 -69 year olds and have also extended the 2nd jab timescale to 16 weeks , this is against EU and WHO guidelines .This is probably why you’ve not had 2nd jab . The mixing of vaccines is a very new idea and has not had any large scale trial
Spain has now changed the advice on ages to be given AZ so many times up until 21st April it was only under 60s . Now it only over 60s
I don’t understand why they keep chopping and changing advice around EU about who to give it to . If they need a sample then look at the Uk 20 million plus have had one dose 9 million two doses, people are not dying in the streets and there have been a few cases of blood clots most were easily treated , but the overall problem rate is almost Zero and better than most over the counter drugs.
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Update, I've just had my 2nd Pfizer, and my wife has her 2nd next week, also pfizer.
Next to no side effects.
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Had my second Pfizer jab Monday, three hours after I started feeling poorly, next day felt like I'd been beaten, laid about for two days and day three felt better, after first jab I felt off colour but the second was a lot worse, I had similar reaction to last years flu jab.
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My first AZ jab really knocked me about but my other half had no reaction apart from a painful arm. When she had the second that one knocked her about so I'm hoping when I get my second on the 13th May I should be OK.
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I've read that the reaction to the second jab is worse as your immune system is up and running, I was suprised at the speed of the reaction though.
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24 hours after my first AZ I felt like I'd run a marathon, no sickness or headache just a great fatigue and an ache at the injection point. Second AZ no after effects at all. Mrs G something similar but headache after first.
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https://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2021/05/06/no-fourth-wave-on-the-costa-blanca-in-spain-as-covid-cases-and-hospital-admissions-carry-on-falling/
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Seems to be no pattern. I had Pfizer for both and no reaction to either. My husband had AZ and a mild reaction to first and nothing on the second. My sister was really bad on first one AZ shakes chills and headache for 48 hours and nothing on second one. The nurse at the GP practice said the ones who react badly have had Covid and may not have known it 🤷♀️ Not sure if that’s true
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Interesting the things you hear about reactions to vaccines so far I’ve heard
1 if you don’t have a reaction your one of the few the vaccine won’t work on
2 if you don’t have a reaction you’ve already had it
3 if you don’t have a reaction it means you are a carrier with no symptoms
4 if you don’t have a reaction you couldn’t have caught it
5 I have even heard that if you don’t have a reaction it’s because your one of the people they are secretly giving something else to so they measure the vaccines performance against no vaccine
I suspect all of them are true LOL
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I have my second jab here on the 25th May.
Does anyone know of someone who has a jab there before this date? If so what date.
I need to know when it is open to change my wife’s appointment date for 2nd June. Can’t get any sense out the phone contact or the medical centre.
Thanks
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As slow as the roll out here is, what I do find encouraging is how quickly the second jabs are being administered.
I finally got my first jab date yesterday for this coming Tuesday, got the second date and time for three weeks later.
Ironically, there’s a number of friends back in the U.K. who were telling me recently how they’d had their first jabs some time ago and singing the praises of the U.K. roll out whilst telling me I should have stayed there, who will still be waiting for their second once I’m completed.
Let’s hope that the extended gap between U.K. jabs doesn’t prove to be a mistake in weakening its effectiveness.
But it’s interesting to read that there are already a number of hospitalisations in the U.K. amongst those who’ve only had one jab and have contracted the Indian variant.
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As slow as the roll out here is, what I do find encouraging is how quickly the second jabs are being administered.
I finally got my first jab date yesterday for this coming Tuesday, got the second date and time for three weeks later.
Ironically, there’s a number of friends back in the U.K. who were telling me recently how they’d had their first jabs some time ago and singing the praises of the U.K. roll out whilst telling me I should have stayed there, who will still be waiting for their second once I’m completed.
Let’s hope that the extended gap between U.K. jabs doesn’t prove to be a mistake in weakening its effectiveness.
But it’s interesting to read that there are already a number of hospitalisations in the U.K. amongst those who’ve only had one jab and have contracted the Indian variant.
Based on facts this is the current situation. Average death rate last 7 days Spain 107 UK 10. When you consider the population of the UK is almost 50% larger than Spain what you have suggested re mistake is rubbish. 7X107 = 749 x150% = 1123 compares with 7 X 10 = 70. Therefore the UK stupid policy has saved only 1053 lives in one week shame on them!
New cases in Spain daily average last 7 days was 7,380 and UK 2,252. Anyone else think the UK has got it wrong. Adjust Spain's for the smaller population and they have 391% more new cases than the UK.
Derek
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When I came over last summer all my expat friends were saying, 'Boris is crap, Britain doesn't know what it's doing, you should have had a twelve week lockdown like we did over here, aren't we clever? etc. Lo and behold move forward twelve months (almost) and as Derek says Spain's figures are a lot worse than the UK. I'm looking forward to reminding them of what they said and waiting for the ' that's not what I meant' excuses to start flowing.
Our vaccine program generally and also the way we've jumped into action now with the new variants shows that it is one of the best in Europe. Whie other countries have flip-flopped over AZ, Pilzer and other vaccines we have quietly got on with it. Of course Labour are now with hindsight saying we should have recognised the problem earlier but I'm just waiting for them to start saying in January they told everyone that Leicester would win the FA Cup.
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My 91 year old father in law and 85 year old mother in law both had absolutely zero side effects, I suspect that the vaccine hasn't worked for them, apparently your immune system weakens as you age. I've reacted badly to both Pfizer jabs, felt awful for days, I had a reaction set in three hours after the second jab, had horrible flu like symptoms after last year's super flu jab so at 65 I reckon my immune system is still up and at 'em.
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Your spot on Derek. The British rollout of the vaccines has been outstanding and world-class. I think the UK has got it right on this one. I have just had my second jab (59yo) and my son has had his first and he is 32 yo.
I don't know if any of you watch Dr John Campbell on youtube. I have followed him from day one and always use's the data - often the news isn't great, but what is now emerging is that the Indian strain gives mostly asymptomatic or very mild cold-like symptoms in people who have been vaccinated. The increase in hospitalizations particularly in the Bradford area is amongst specific groups of people who have chosen not to partake in the vaccination program (for some reason)
I have had a few interactions with TIE holders who feel the "Spanish Way" has been right ... everyone has an opinion but the facts speak for themselves
As slow as the roll out here is, what I do find encouraging is how quickly the second jabs are being administered.
I finally got my first jab date yesterday for this coming Tuesday, got the second date and time for three weeks later.
Ironically, there’s a number of friends back in the U.K. who were telling me recently how they’d had their first jabs some time ago and singing the praises of the U.K. roll out whilst telling me I should have stayed there, who will still be waiting for their second once I’m completed.
Let’s hope that the extended gap between U.K. jabs doesn’t prove to be a mistake in weakening its effectiveness.
But it’s interesting to read that there are already a number of hospitalisations in the U.K. amongst those who’ve only had one jab and have contracted the Indian variant.
Based on facts this is the current situation. Average death rate last 7 days Spain 107 UK 10. When you consider the population of the UK is almost 50% larger than Spain what you have suggested re mistake is rubbish. 7X107 = 749 x150% = 1123 compares with 7 X 10 = 70. Therefore the UK stupid policy has saved only 1053 lives in one week shame on them!
New cases in Spain daily average last 7 days was 7,380 and UK 2,252. Anyone else think the UK has got it wrong. Adjust Spain's for the smaller population and they have 391% more new cases than the UK.
Derek
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What’s really hacking me off is that within the UK there has been from day one an element of society for many different reasons that have done their level best to undermine every positive step forward. I saw that clown Burnham on the news demanding more money more vaccines, more resources, bleating that there should be no more lockdowns in the north west. What he won’t answer is why after being in a nearly constant restricted lockdown for best part of a year its still a shambles, what is the issue with these people just why can’t they do what’s needed for the good of the country. Gumidge at the big house needs to get tough with these areas otherwise we’re going to be on this carousel for years.
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What’s really hacking me off is that within the UK there has been from day one an element of society for many different reasons that have done their level best to undermine every positive step forward. I saw that clown Burnham on the news demanding more money more vaccines, more resources, bleating that there should be no more lockdowns in the north west. What he won’t answer is why after being in a nearly constant restricted lockdown for best part of a year its still a shambles, what is the issue with these people just why can’t they do what’s needed for the good of the country. Gumidge at the big house needs to get tough with these areas otherwise we’re going to be on this carousel for years.
Here we have it another politician that is a clown and a Labour one at that. What is a Shambles Wilson? Surely not the fact that deaths, due to covid, have reduced to an average of just ten a day in the UK.
I wish I could refer to others as clowns but it might come as a complete surprise that I don't consider myself that clever. Captain Hindsight can indeed look back and take the credit for the bits that went right and then after the event pass comment that all that went wrong was because of the action taken against his advice. (the thing is if you sit on a fence you can chose to fall on the winning side)
How I wish I was as bright as those running the show and then I might have made a few bob during my life and obtained the odd roll of wallpaper for free.
I suppose in a democracy Wilson if the voters do not want a circus act (clowns) running the show they vote accordingly which is exactly what happen recently. I think Andy Burnham was elected as Mayor which I suppose shows that those in his area like his act.
Derek
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As slow as the roll out here is, what I do find encouraging is how quickly the second jabs are being administered.
I finally got my first jab date yesterday for this coming Tuesday, got the second date and time for three weeks later.
Ironically, there’s a number of friends back in the U.K. who were telling me recently how they’d had their first jabs some time ago and singing the praises of the U.K. roll out whilst telling me I should have stayed there, who will still be waiting for their second once I’m completed.
Let’s hope that the extended gap between U.K. jabs doesn’t prove to be a mistake in weakening its effectiveness.
But it’s interesting to read that there are already a number of hospitalisations in the U.K. amongst those who’ve only had one jab and have contracted the Indian variant.
It doesn’t matter how many times I read my statement I can’t for the life of me see how I’m stating one system is better than the other ?
However, it’s amazing how quickly some people on this forum are so quick to start the chest beating and turn any comment into a political/national success or failure competition.
Personally, I see no issue here other than life or death, and ultimately, the final figures in that respect will never be truly known, as you will never be able to calculate the life’s lost because of covid rather than of covid itself.
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The shambles Derek is that some areas have consistently failed for a year to get there act together, excuses are made like unemployment, low wages, social inequality etc well where I live we’ve got those by the bucketload but my area like the majority of the country has pulled in the right direction. Instead of political flannel blaming Boris and the Tories these mayors and local leaders need to grasp the nettle and get there house in order. As for being re-elected you can see why the local populace like him, take no responsibility and blame everybody else.
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The most interesting thing now is that an American university has done a study on vaccines generally and roll outs around the world
Their conclusions are that the gap between 1st and 2nd doses should be no less than 8 weeks and no more than 14 this is because by vaccinating more people with one dose most lives are saved and as important as well the gap to the second dose provides greater protection
They also concluded that there is no difference between Pfizer AZ or Moderna in cases of blood clots per million doses and that the chances of blood clots are less than paracetamol
They also conclude that the Pfizer is best after one dose but that there is minimal difference between AZ Pfizer and moderna after 2nd dose , and that they are all many times better than the Sputnik or any of the Chinese vaccines .
So I would have to say whether by great judgement or incredible luck the UK has got it right and the numbers coming out daily certainly support that
Unsurprisingly the EU have not taken this advice on board and Merkel and Macron must take some personal responsibility for many deaths after their countries ridiculous political antics over the AZ jab.lets slate AZ for non delivery but throw tens of thousands of doses away in France and Germany because we have slated it so badly we can’t give it away now
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"So I would have to say whether by great judgement or incredible luck the UK has got it right and the numbers coming out daily certainly support that"
I think that the UK Government were chancers and with a down to earth (feet on the ground) style they played their cards and they won. I fully expect when the review of how they handled the pandemic it will reveal that they acted well throughout with the balancing act of saving lives one on side to the cost on the other.
I would have thought the vast majority like the current style as is reflected in the ballot box.
On a personal note having had the two vaccinations I am under medical investigation for a blood clot which they tell me has nothing to do with the vaccination. A real worry having endured two hospital visits the first did not show the source of the clot and I am now waiting nervously for results of further investigation by the way of a scan. I actually feel 100% and the only initial effects were feeling cold and a little tried after the first jab.
Derek
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"So I would have to say whether by great judgement or incredible luck the UK has got it right and the numbers coming out daily certainly support that"
I think that the UK Government were chancers and with a down to earth (feet on the ground) style they played their cards and they won. I fully expect when the review of how they handled the pandemic it will reveal that they acted well throughout with the balancing act of saving lives one on side to the cost on the other.
I would have thought the vast majority like the current style as is reflected in the ballot box.
On a personal note having had the two vaccinations I am under medical investigation for a blood clot which they tell me has nothing to do with the vaccination. A real worry having endured two hospital visits the first did not show the source of the clot and I am now waiting nervously for results of further investigation by the way of a scan. I actually feel 100% and the only initial effects were feeling cold and a little tried after the first jab.
Derek
I also think the uk response will come out as pretty good as well
The numbers are favourable compared to the rest of the world when you take out all the anomaly’s
For example for a death to count in official numbers it has to be a death for any reason within 28 days of a positive test.
So far the uk has done just under 2.5 million tests per 1 million population France 1.2 million tests per 1 million population Spain 1 million tests per 1 million population India has 225000 per 1 million population
So in simple terms if you want to look good in the numbers don’t test. However the total deaths for any reason per 1 million population will tell a very different story
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It's definitely been the right way to go getting as many first jabs in rather than concentrating on getting two jabs in close together, the first jab has drastically driven down infection, I saw a report the other day that it's even beneficial to have a long interval between jabs as this gives a better immune response. We've got it right in the UK.
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I think as a country the UK has long been a world leader in science with some outstanding experts, this and the nhs has what’s gotten us to this excellent position. The experts must sadly fight a constant battle with Laurel and Hardy whose real agenda will undoubtably become clear in the years ahead. How they stand there at the podium taking the credit and ducking anything a bit smelly beggars belief.
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I think as a country the UK has long been a world leader in science with some outstanding experts, this and the nhs has what’s gotten us to this excellent position. The experts must sadly fight a constant battle with Laurel and Hardy whose real agenda will undoubtably become clear in the years ahead. How they stand there at the podium taking the credit and ducking anything a bit smelly beggars belief.
Wison I don't think it adds much to the value of the topic to constantly try to score political points. I am sure no one could run the show as well as you.
Derek
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I think as a country the UK has long been a world leader in science with some outstanding experts, this and the nhs has what’s gotten us to this excellent position. The experts must sadly fight a constant battle with Laurel and Hardy whose real agenda will undoubtably become clear in the years ahead. How they stand there at the podium taking the credit and ducking anything a bit smelly beggars belief.
Wison I don't think it adds much to the value of the topic to constantly try to score political points. I am sure no one could run the show as well as you.
Derek I’m actually non political, whilst I always vote I decide on the day where to put my X. Over the years I’ve voted for every party, my vote is based on what the candidate if local or party if national has done and will do to make this country better. I therefore score no points just outlay the facts or my opinion as I see it, unlike others who defend the current shower who govern us and the useless opposition who chant the same anti Tory hymn sheet. And no I couldn’t run the country which ironically puts me in the same leaky lifeboat as Basil.
Derek
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This morning I've logged into my NHS app and there is a short process to get your Vaccination passport, it's possible to download and print and carries a QR scannable code.
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My downloaded copy says 'Expires 20 June 2021'.
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Mine says 20th June 2021 so does the wife’s as well I reckon they all do
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Didn't notice that, I wonder if you download again in a month it will have a later expiry date
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I spoke with someone who should know and the certificate has a 4 week duration. you can get a new one as and when needed, apparently to prevent fraud and I guess any longer duration might lessen its credibility if say it was 6 months old. For the cost of the paper and ink I would prefer a nice shiny new one each journey.
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Is it "belt and braces" to take a paper copy or will the QR code on the App be ok ?
Happy to say both Mrs and I have h eNHS app working fine now showing both our jabs
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I’m going with paper and QR code as well I think. Not yet though as Spain still haven’t opened the door , I think a lot of their bar and restaurant owner will be looking enviously over the border at Portugal.
There were issues yesterday at Alicante airport with the strictest of rules I place , ie no TIE no entry. Loads who had completed applications etc all sent back , no exceptions.
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Looking at this weeks events I fear this years “normal” travel could be a disaster for many. The processes put in place so far are already being undermined, border force estimate over 100 fake pcr tests are being presented every day at arrivals, translation and interpretation of some documents is a challenge. I did read on an EU site that only English Spanish and french would be allowed. Questions being asked why there are still 4 passenger flights arriving from India every day all apparently essential travel. The whole system is dysfunctional and a recipe for continued chaos throughout the year. As my Nan used to say the lunatics have taken over the asylum.
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I’m going with paper and QR code as well I think. Not yet though as Spain still haven’t opened the door , I think a lot of their bar and restaurant owner will be looking enviously over the border at Portugal.
There were issues yesterday at Alicante airport with the strictest of rules I place , ie no TIE no entry. Loads who had completed applications etc all sent back , no exceptions.
The app should be fine by itself unless phone battery wears down. That’s all I’ll be taking when we go in just over two weeks.
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I’m going with paper and QR code as well I think. Not yet though as Spain still haven’t opened the door , I think a lot of their bar and restaurant owner will be looking enviously over the border at Portugal.
There were issues yesterday at Alicante airport with the strictest of rules I place , ie no TIE no entry. Loads who had completed applications etc all sent back , no exceptions.
The app should be fine by itself unless phone battery wears down. That’s all I’ll be taking when we go in just over two weeks.
Have you got a TIE card etc or are you hoping like I am that they open the border to UK by then ?
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Again, as per my previous posts, not trying to suggest any one countries policy is better than the other.
Interesting to note today however, that the experts are looking to close the gap between first and second jabs for the 50 plus age group down from 12 to 8 weeks in the U.K. based on data now gathered from the Indian variants spread.
I do personally feel that the gap was extended in haste in the U.K. from the initially advised three to four week gap to ensure a greater rollout percentage and speed of first jabs, understandably perhaps given the overall spread and mortality total at the time.
The U.K. now has 70% of the population with one dose, and 40% of the population with two doses, yet at the same time has one of the most restrictive travel policies.
Personally, as I’ve previously stated, I suspect there’s more economics involved in terms of keeping the money in the country now, than there is genuine need for the benefits of health and the welfare of the NHS.
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Again, as per my previous posts, not trying to suggest any one countries policy is better than the other.
Interesting to note today however, that the experts are looking to close the gap between first and second jabs for the 50 plus age group down from 12 to 8 weeks in the U.K. based on data now gathered from the Indian variants spread.
I do personally feel that the gap was extended in haste in the U.K. from the initially advised three to four week gap to ensure a greater rollout percentage and speed of first jabs, understandably perhaps given the overall spread and mortality total at the time.
The U.K. now has 70% of the population with one dose, and 40% of the population with two doses, yet at the same time has one of the most restrictive travel policies.
Personally, as I’ve previously stated, I suspect there’s more economics involved in terms of keeping the money in the country now, than there is genuine need for the benefits of health and the welfare of the NHS.
God knows why you think the timing was wrong in the UK surely they have not saved too many lives. Just look at the figures and they speak for themselves. Highest death rate back in January to now the lowest in Europe. Yes the UK government got it wrong can I ask why you think that is the case.
Derek
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I’m with you Derek I think the UK got it spot on the reason for reducing from 12 to 8 weeks are two fold firstly they were taking a precaution against the India variant and secondly they now have a flow of vaccines and the capacity at vaccination centres to do it. I’m off for 2nd jab tomorrow at a mass vaccine centre run mainly by Army personal. When we had the first one done it was amazing to see just how well the army had it organised, about 30 stations to do jab all the time the queue was distanced and continuing to move . We were in and out in 12 minutes and that included a 150m walk from reception to vaccine area and back . Apparently it has capacity for 5000 to 8000 a day and as the army guy said to us double that if they move to nights as well
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Latest figures this morning show that after adjusting for the size of population the the death rate from Coronavirus is Spain is 1685% higher than the UK. (7 day average).
I doubt if a trip to GA is currently worth the effort and cost. Whilst it is legal to travel to Spain from the UK we are being told not to holiday there. I expect one persons view of why they must travel would vary from another's. I might think it is essential to weed the garden where another might not consider this so.
Derek
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There are currently 6 flights a day flying from the UK in Alicante so clearly some people including myself feel the need to travel to GA. Despite the scare tactics of no TIE no entry the few that have been refused entry are minuscule compared to the thousands who enter every week.
With regard to necessity on travel, if your retired and have spent the last year on your sun lounger tending your geraniums, or your being paid by the taxpayer to stay at home, or just working from home then what’s the rush, if like some of us you’ve spent the last year working every day on the front line then maybe your outlook is different.
And I for one will be flying back out next week.
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Wilson
.You are not the only one that does a days work but you appear to consider yourself an hero for having a job.
You continually call those in power names from your declared non political stance. You criticize that lack of direction yet when the Government say act responsible and don't holiday in certain countries it is a up you response.
How come you get so much time off to defy Government advice if you are as you claim working so hard. At least in such a well paid job you can presumable afford to travel for your essential reasons.
I expect a few of the pensioners you refer to may also have done a days work in their life but this one follows the safety advice and unlike some put my faith and trust in the experts rather than to class them all as misguided.
Derek
Ps Incidentally the Tax Payer does not keep me or many other retired members of this forum. I consider your comments to be an insult to those that have retired after working all their life and as you contributed to the system, I like others still pay a considerable amount in tax each year but do not object as your wages and others need to be paid.
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Wilson
.You are not the only one that does a days work but you appear to consider yourself an hero for having a job.
You continually call those in power names from your declared non political stance. You criticize that lack of direction yet when the Government say act responsible and don't holiday in certain countries it is a up you response.
How come you get so much time off to defy Government advice if you are as you claim working so hard. At least in such a well paid job you can presumable afford to travel for your essential reasons.
I expect a few of the pensioners you refer to may also have done a days work in their life but this one follows the safety advice and unlike some put my faith and trust in the experts rather than to class them all as misguided.
Derek
Ps Incidentally the Tax Payer does not keep me or many other retired members of this forum. I consider your comments to be an insult to those that have retired after working all their life and as you contributed to the system, I like others still pay a considerable amount in tax each year but do not object as your wages and others need to be paid.
Derek as always you make every post you don’t agree with all about you, many assumptions are also made with most not even near reality. My point was to illustrate that some of us need a vacation after a crappy year whilst some might like a holiday but aren’t that fussed. The reference to taxpayer funding was in relation to the 9 million people who were being paid up to £2500 a month to sit at home for the past year. Whilst I don’t blame them I know people who consider the past year a bit of a jolly.
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I've just checked in for tomorrow's flight and Ryanair are giving a link for the current requirements to enter Spain dated 14.05.21). The Gov.UK site also says you may also need to show a return ticket, sufficient funds for your stay and proof of accomodation at border control (updated today).
I've also had to sign everything in triplicate in blood to absolve Ryanair of any blame (and costs) if I'm not let in.
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/es/COVID19-UK/Paginas/Requisitos-de-entrada-en-Espa%C3%B1a.aspx
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
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and proof of accomodation at border control (updated today).
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/es/COVID19-UK/Paginas/Requisitos-de-entrada-en-Espa%C3%B1a.aspx
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
This bit is interesting, what would you need to carry if travelling to your own property? A copy of the Escritura perhaps??
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I will be taking the deeds to our house in GA
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Wilson
.You are not the only one that does a days work but you appear to consider yourself an hero for having a job.
You continually call those in power names from your declared non political stance. You criticize that lack of direction yet when the Government say act responsible and don't holiday in certain countries it is a up you response.
How come you get so much time off to defy Government advice if you are as you claim working so hard. At least in such a well paid job you can presumable afford to travel for your essential reasons.
I expect a few of the pensioners you refer to may also have done a days work in their life but this one follows the safety advice and unlike some put my faith and trust in the experts rather than to class them all as misguided.
Derek
Ps Incidentally the Tax Payer does not keep me or many other retired members of this forum. I consider your comments to be an insult to those that have retired after working all their life and as you contributed to the system, I like others still pay a considerable amount in tax each year but do not object as your wages and others need to be paid.
Derek as always you make every post you don’t agree with all about you, many assumptions are also made with most not even near reality. My point was to illustrate that some of us need a vacation after a crappy year whilst some might like a holiday but aren’t that fussed. The reference to taxpayer funding was in relation to the 9 million people who were being paid up to £2500 a month to sit at home for the past year. Whilst I don’t blame them I know people who consider the past year a bit of a jolly.
As always, Derek and Wilson, you both seem to have a unnerving knack of the ability to turn any discussion into a competition of right or wrong with an underlying political view. Sometimes listening to others experiences and opinions with an open mind rather than a automatic assumption that you are always right can prove to be quite educational.
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I've just checked in for tomorrow's flight and Ryanair are giving a link for the current requirements to enter Spain dated 14.05.21). The Gov.UK site also says you may also need to show a return ticket, sufficient funds for your stay and proof of accomodation at border control (updated today).
I've also had to sign everything in triplicate in blood to absolve Ryanair of any blame (and costs) if I'm not let in.
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/es/COVID19-UK/Paginas/Requisitos-de-entrada-en-Espa%C3%B1a.aspx
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
I wish you luck for tomorrow, let us know how you get on.
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Wilson
.You are not the only one that does a days work but you appear to consider yourself an hero for having a job.
You continually call those in power names from your declared non political stance. You criticize that lack of direction yet when the Government say act responsible and don't holiday in certain countries it is a up you response.
How come you get so much time off to defy Government advice if you are as you claim working so hard. At least in such a well paid job you can presumable afford to travel for your essential reasons.
I expect a few of the pensioners you refer to may also have done a days work in their life but this one follows the safety advice and unlike some put my faith and trust in the experts rather than to class them all as misguided.
Derek
Ps Incidentally the Tax Payer does not keep me or many other retired members of this forum. I consider your comments to be an insult to those that have retired after working all their life and as you contributed to the system, I like others still pay a considerable amount in tax each year but do not object as your wages and others need to be paid.
Derek as always you make every post you don’t agree with all about you, many assumptions are also made with most not even near reality. My point was to illustrate that some of us need a vacation after a crappy year whilst some might like a holiday but aren’t that fussed. The reference to taxpayer funding was in relation to the 9 million people who were being paid up to £2500 a month to sit at home for the past year. Whilst I don’t blame them I know people who consider the past year a bit of a jolly.
As always, Derek and Wilson, you both seem to have a unnerving knack of the ability to turn any discussion into a competition of right or wrong with an underlying political view. Sometimes listening to others experiences and opinions with an open mind rather than a automatic assumption that you are always right can prove to be quite educational.
Sadly there have been no experiences of travel to GA except mine shared in many months. Out of over 700 forum members only 10 actually post anything so opinions are also quite rare. I have posted many times positively regarding vaccinations, the nhs app which thousands have read and hopefully thought well done Wilson I didn’t know that. Forums are about sharing opinions both good and bad and I believe the current government and all the opposing parties are a complete shower and couldn’t run a bath let alone a country facing a pandemic.
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I served an apprenticeship for 5 years as a mechanical/electrical engineer. I worked for a bus company for 38 years and was a member of the transport union. Do i qualify as a transport worker ????? No 4 on the list.
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I've just checked in for tomorrow's flight and Ryanair are giving a link for the current requirements to enter Spain dated 14.05.21). The Gov.UK site also says you may also need to show a return ticket, sufficient funds for your stay and proof of accomodation at border control (updated today).
I've also had to sign everything in triplicate in blood to absolve Ryanair of any blame (and costs) if I'm not let in.
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/es/COVID19-UK/Paginas/Requisitos-de-entrada-en-Espa%C3%B1a.aspx
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
Just read through the attachment and I still can’t see any way you will get in without a residence visa ? Have you got one or are you going to try and wing it. Good luck let us know how you get on
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Spurs you beat me to it.
Good luck BL.
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Just to set the record straight.
I have a flight booked for Friday which cost £33.00. I could have moved it for free up to 7 days ago but now have to pay £35 to move it + any cost differece. In view of the rumours abounding last week (and early this) I decided to risk it in case the travel situation changed by tomorrow, which it hasn't. Wednesday realistically was the last sensible date for an £80 PCR test so I decided that I won't be going and so have lost the flight.
I checked in out of interest to see if the system has changed which is why I was able to post about the process above.
Bar a miracle I'll be watching our last Premiership match at home in a very wet Birmingham.
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Won’t they refund or move your flight again ?
God I’m getting fed up with this system I can’t see looking at numbers why we can’t be admitted into Spain, must be playing havoc with their economy , doubt there will be anywhere open if this carries on
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“ God I’m getting fed up with this system I can’t see looking at numbers why we can’t be admitted into Spain “
Because according to Derek, the death rate in Spain is 1685% than the U.K. ;)
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Because they are playing political games.
Because the UK has them on the Amber rather than green which Portugal are on.
Self harm by a leftie Government me thinks.
Might even be sour grapes over Brexit but I am sure that it is not because of Coronavirus protection.
Derek
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I do hope Spain will allow UK entry very soon (may be tomorrow) but that's still up in the air because there is still a lot of post Brexit politics going on behind the scenes and BJ wants us to spend our savings in the UK.
The EU are now starting to talk about reciprocity; we'll let you in if you let us in on the same terms. The problem with that is that Spanish citizens entering the UK have to follow the same rules as returning UK citizens; negative tests and quarantine.
The more different sources of news you read the more confusing it gets and now there's the issues around the Carte de Invitation and overly zealous border control.
If the Spanish agree not to rattle the Gibraltar sabre whilst BJ is PM perhaps they'll get a green light.
I find this site good for info www.schengenvisainfo.com
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Well it would appear that Spain is now going to let those from the U.K. in from Monday 24th, without even so much as a PCR test.
So the only thing stopping travel will be what the U.K. government insists upon in terms of reason for travel and testing/quarantine requirements upon return.
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Some good news read in El Pais this morning.
"The Spanish government has opted to add the United Kingdom and Japan to the list of countries whose residents will not be subject to coronavirus restrictions when traveling to Spain. That’s according to an order that was published today in the Official State Gazette (BOE), which justifies the decision arguing that Spain usually receives a large number of visitors from the United Kingdom, “meaning that many economic sectors need to adapt their capacities in advance to the changes that will take place at the borders.”
The order will come into force on Monday, May 24, and will mean that the UK and Japan will no longer be subject to the temporary restrictions on non-essential travel to the European Union via external borders. The order makes reference to the fact that the European Council is currently engaged in a debate to lift the restrictions for the same countries across the entire bloc, something that is likely to happen soon. It was not immediately clear on Friday as to whether negative PCR tests will still be required for travelers arriving from the UK and Japan from Monday."
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Flights atm £29 BHX-ALC for the 28th May. It'll be interesting to see if they go up to £300+ and then sell out as they have before or whether they will stay cheap due to lack of public confidence.
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I see that Spain are allowing entry to Japanese citizens, is that the same Japan that has vaccinated just 4.1% of its population?
The same Japan that's currently in a fourth wave and has large parts of the country under lockdown?
If you want to go to your home in Spain I'd get there while you can....before the next lockdown.
To all of those going, stay safe, I hope your houses are OK, have a good time.
Regards all
John
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Am I correct in saying that as from Monday24thMay ,if you have had the two jabs you will not need a negative year to enter Spain?
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https://mol.im/a/9603825
.I would have thought Spain would at least insist that visitors at least are fully vaccinated.
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Hi Kevin, hope all's well.
I agree Kevin, I think they have gone too far too quickly, hence my comment get there while you can, the next lockdown is inevitable.
Regards all
John
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It's a step too far John to abandon all restrictions.
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Hi Kevin, hope all's well.
I agree Kevin, I think they have gone too far too quickly, hence my comment get there while you can, the next lockdown is inevitable.
Regards all
John
Whilst I do agree with you ,the stark reality over one year on is that the global situation is now the worst it’s been thus far. There is very little real agreement between countries with just empty words. Most countries have a selfish agenda with little scientific logic applied as always it’s all about the money with health coming a poor second. Common sense tells me to stay in the UK this year, but I did that last year and it achieved nothing, therefore common sense falls by the wayside and I’m flying out next week, as my actions amongst the rest has no significance.
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If we still had the place in Spain I can imagine that there'd be an almighty barny between Mrs H and myself...I'd want to go out to make sure the place was OK, Mrs H would be dead against it....I wonder if many forum members are having similar domestics!!
Some friends have a glorious place in the campo a few miles inland, their last visit in September they found their lovely home infested with rats....they are dreading what they will find on their next visit.
As for us, three holidays out of four cancelled last year...this Summer we are sticking to the UK for the first time in about 20 years, the thought of airports and sat in an aircraft would be too stressful for Mrs H and I wouldn't feel comfortable.
Fingers crossed for 2022.
Regards all
John
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Funny you mention the domestic discussions John I had the same one this morning , I suggested we go Monday opps bit of an error there!!! Light blue touch paper and stand back . Net result I was obviously wrong and we are now in a thinking about maybe June holding patten lol
Never mind always next yearv
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It's now confirmed on the Spanish Government website. See you Friday. :-)
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/es/COVID19-UK/Paginas/Requisitos-de-entrada-en-Espa%C3%B1a.aspx
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It's now confirmed on the Spanish Government website. See you Friday. :-)
http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/LONDRES/es/COVID19-UK/Paginas/Requisitos-de-entrada-en-Espa%C3%B1a.aspx
All confirmed on N332 Facebook page , UK residents can enter from Monday without vaccinations or negative tests 😀still on amber list with UK but hopefully change next review
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Got to say that if Spain wants us Brits they should insist that anyone entering Spain has has been vaccinated, throwing their border open to all without some minimum requirement is likely to spook Boris into making Spain a red alert country, that way no one will go full stop.
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Got to say that if Spain wants us Brits they should insist that anyone entering Spain has has been vaccinated, throwing their border open to all without some minimum requirement is likely to spook Boris into making Spain a red alert country, that way no one will go full stop.
Well if they insist on that they will only get a bunch of old people as they’re the only ones fully vaccinated & it discriminates against families and most of population who are likely to visit in summer
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Must admit I’m surprised they are letting people in with no checks .i thought the deal was going to be you could come in with a vaccine passport or if not a negative test within the last 72 hours . Hope this is not a step to far for Spain but it does seem like money before safety
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Must admit I’m surprised they are letting people in with no checks .i thought the deal was going to be you could come in with a vaccine passport or if not a negative test within the last 72 hours . Hope this is not a step to far for Spain but it does seem like money before safety
Do have to agree either should be fully vaccinated or a negative test. Boris could easily start putting Spain on the red list because of this. Also won’t the airlines insist on some test ? That’s the only downside sitting on a plane with people who haven’t been tested or vaccinated. I’ll be wearing 2 masks 😂 for the flight in two weeks time
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Last night I booked my return flight ALC - BHX for 24.99 euros with Ryanair. They offered the choice to pay in euros or at their guaranteed exchange rate of £22.92. I checked my Zero credit card (no exchange fees) this morning and it cost me £21.57.
Not a big difference on 25 euros but worth bearing in mind if you're spending a lot.
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Last night I booked my return flight ALC - BHX for 24.99 euros with Ryanair. They offered the choice to pay in euros or at their guaranteed exchange rate of £22.92. I checked my Zero credit card (no exchange fees) this morning and it cost me £21.57.
Not a big difference on 25 euros but worth bearing in mind if you're spending a lot.
This is why the fares are so cheap. Taken off the UK Government website this morning.
The FCDO advises against all but essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic Islands but excluding the Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks.
So there we have it. The UK advice is don't travel for holidays to Spain yet this advice doesn't seem to cut any ice. It is no wonder that they need to enact a law to control travel if their citizens cannot act responsibly.
I assume travel insurance will be void if one travels against the Governments advice.
Derek
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As a resident here in GA I was also surprised that Spain have opened the borders with no tests or vaccinations required at all, it was only during the last couple of weeks that internal borders have opened and we have been allowed to travel to different areas of Spain. Valencia has done extremely well and has a lower rate of infection than a lot of other places, Elche hospital just this week announced that they now have zero cases of covid, but is also an area with a big reliance on tourism and a lot of places are struggling. This decision is one born out of economic necessity I believe, and as we are just now vaccinating the fifties age group, there is still a bit of catching up to do.. for those who can travel its still the UK rules that will be the decider, as unless they change there still wont be many families coming due to the added costs of tests and the quarantine, and i agree with John on the timing for travelling while the situation is really good here in the Valencian regions, because if we do get a big influx, it will be very interesting to see what happens next.
Also be aware that at the moment, we still have a curfew from midnight to 6am, when you have to be in your own homes bars close at 11.30, and masks are worn everywhere, even outside when walking around in the heat (something we are hoping will change but its not up to us). Hazel
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Chris and Jackie, I'm not old I'm only 65 !😀
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Chris and Jackie, I'm not old I'm only 65 !😀
Age is a mind set thing. Leave the getting old bit to others.
Derek
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Last night I booked my return flight ALC - BHX for 24.99 euros with Ryanair. They offered the choice to pay in euros or at their guaranteed exchange rate of £22.92. I checked my Zero credit card (no exchange fees) this morning and it cost me £21.57.
Not a big difference on 25 euros but worth bearing in mind if you're spending a lot.
This is why the fares are so cheap. Taken off the UK Government website this morning.
The FCDO advises against all but essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic Islands but excluding the Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks.
So there we have it. The UK advice is don't travel for holidays to Spain yet this advice doesn't seem to cut any ice. It is no wonder that they need to enact a law to control travel if their citizens cannot act responsibly.
I assume travel insurance will be void if one travels against the Governments advice.
Derek
I've checked with my travel insurer - I am covered for Covid related illness but not Covid related travel disruption. Something to do with the FO wording on the "advice"
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I would get that in writing see here;
How does an FCDO warning affect my travel insurance?
It is important to be aware that if the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office warns against all travel or all but essential travel to your holiday destination before you get there, you will not covered by your travel insurance, which means that any claims you make will not be paid, if you choose to travel against their advice.
This is because travel insurance is designed to provide protection against unexpected and unforeseen risks and travelling to a country or area that the FCDO has advised against going to because it is dangerous, is a very different risk from taking a holiday in a country that is considered to be generally safe.
If the FCDO issues a warning whilst you are in an affected region you will be covered as normal under the medical and personal accident sections of your travel insurance policy, so long as you follow the latest FCDO advice for British nationals already in the area.
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Staysure, for one, would appear to have a bolt on for this, provided you have been vaccinated.
https://www.staysure.co.uk/fco-advice-travel-insurance/
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So a couple of quick questions for anyone who has been recently or going Monday etc
1 before we return to UK do we need a PCR test or. Lateral flow test ( the info I’ve seen is misleading)
2 where in GA can we get the test , how long before we get results and how much is it. Do we need to book etc
Any help greatly appreciated
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This is from the UK gov site today and presumably covers question 1 ( I have not read it in detail )
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-for-people-travelling-to-england
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So we can either get a PCR test or an antigen test to return to the UK by the looks of things.
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Just got a Quote Aficionado.
You are right - it specifically gives you cover despite the Govt warning. Pretty good value as well
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Just got a Quote Aficionado.
You are right - it specifically gives you cover despite the Govt warning. Pretty good value as well
I've been with Staysure for several years now and always found them to be good value for the level of cover provided. Renewed last year more in hope than expectation and, unsurprisingly, haven't travelled anywhere since. We will see what can be negotiated when renewal rolls around again this year.
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Hi
Before we all get on the plane just be aware of the current comparison between Spain and the UK.
New Cases 7 day daily average Spain 6,538 UK 2,268 Deaths Spain 93 daily average UK 10. The population of Spain is 42% smaller than the UK so factor this in and they have a long way to go and visitors ignoring the UK Government's advice need to be very careful.
Derek
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I would get that in writing see here;
How does an FCDO warning affect my travel insurance?
It is important to be aware that if the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office warns against all travel or all but essential travel to your holiday destination before you get there, you will not covered by your travel insurance, which means that any claims you make will not be paid, if you choose to travel against their advice.
This is because travel insurance is designed to provide protection against unexpected and unforeseen risks and travelling to a country or area that the FCDO has advised against going to because it is dangerous, is a very different risk from taking a holiday in a country that is considered to be generally safe.
If the FCDO issues a warning whilst you are in an affected region you will be covered as normal under the medical and personal accident sections of your travel insurance policy, so long as you follow the latest FCDO advice for British nationals already in the area.
Derek,got it in writing.
If the FCDO advise against ALL travel then most travel insurance policies are invalid but if the wording is ALL BUT ESSENTIAL then it's OK to go.
"As long as you’re not travelling to a destination where the FCDO advise against ‘all’ travel, you’re covered to travel by your travel insurance, subject to the policy terms and conditions.
Your travel insurance will not provide cover for cancelling a trip due to the traffic light system (this means, due to the country being placed on the red, amber or green lists) if:
you booked the trip on or after 1 January 2021
you booked the trip before 1 January 2021 but when you booked the trip, the FCDO were advising against travel to your destination, or
you fail to provide the documentation required to enter a country abroad or return to the UK.
We encourage you to read the FCDO travel guidance (This link will open in a new window) on the rules around entering the country you’re travelling to. You need to be sure that you’re comfortable with the risks associated with booking travel at this time.
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So a couple of quick questions for anyone who has been recently or going Monday etc
1 before we return to UK do we need a PCR test or. Lateral flow test ( the info I’ve seen is misleading)
2 where in GA can we get the test , how long before we get results and how much is it. Do we need to book etc
Any help greatly appreciated
Spurs, I posted a few days ago but family doctors in GA do the antigen tests , 50 euros each with results in a few hours, you can ring or email for booking appointments
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So a couple of quick questions for anyone who has been recently or going Monday etc
1 before we return to UK do we need a PCR test or. Lateral flow test ( the info I’ve seen is misleading)
2 where in GA can we get the test , how long before we get results and how much is it. Do we need to book etc
Any help greatly appreciated
Thanks do you have an E Mail address please
Spurs, I posted a few days ago but family doctors in GA do the antigen tests , 50 euros each with results in a few hours, you can ring or email for booking appointments
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Hi
Before we all get on the plane just be aware of the current comparison between Spain and the UK.
New Cases 7 day daily average Spain 6,538 UK 2,268 Deaths Spain 93 daily average UK 10. The population of Spain is 42% smaller than the UK so factor this in and they have a long way to go and visitors ignoring the UK Government's advice need to be very careful.
Derek
But it’s all within the rules. Rules are rules which need to be adhered to, advice is something your mate might give in the pub, and you then choose whether or not it’s relevant to you.
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Hi
Before we all get on the plane just be aware of the current comparison between Spain and the UK.
New Cases 7 day daily average Spain 6,538 UK 2,268 Deaths Spain 93 daily average UK 10. The population of Spain is 42% smaller than the UK so factor this in and they have a long way to go and visitors ignoring the UK Government's advice need to be very careful.
Derek
As scary as you’d like to paint that picture.
Bear in mind we’re on a GA board, Elche hospital has zero current covid patients, and the figures for the whole of the Valencia region are pretty much inline with what you’re quoting for the U.K.
As long as people arriving adhere to the mask wearing and social distancing rules that the locals have complied with for the last year, hopefully, things should be fine.
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And returning to the original subject of this post, vaccinations.
My wife, who’s 55, unfortunately had to travel back to the U.K. in April due to a family bereavement, she had the opportunity to book a first jab whilst there ( once she’d completed her ten day quarantine ) for 19th April. Her second jab would have been the 12th July, for which she would need to travel back to the U.K. In view of what little time she had left to sort things out following her quarantine period she elected to leave her jab and hope that the Spanish rollout would eventually catch up.
She has now just been given the date for her first jab here for Friday the 28th May, her second to follow on 18th June. So ultimately, she’ll be fully vaccinated over three weeks earlier.
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Hi
Before we all get on the plane just be aware of the current comparison between Spain and the UK.
New Cases 7 day daily average Spain 6,538 UK 2,268 Deaths Spain 93 daily average UK 10. The population of Spain is 42% smaller than the UK so factor this in and they have a long way to go and visitors ignoring the UK Government's advice need to be very careful.
Derek
Thanks for the English lesson Wilson you learn something almost every day I never knew what the word "advice" meant.
Thanks for that
Derek
But it’s all within the rules. Rules are rules which need to be adhered to, advice is something your mate might give in the pub, and you then choose whether or not it’s relevant to you.
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And returning to the original subject of this post, vaccinations.
My wife, who’s 55, unfortunately had to travel back to the U.K. in April due to a family bereavement, she had the opportunity to book a first jab whilst there ( once she’d completed her ten day quarantine ) for 19th April. Her second jab would have been the 12th July, for which she would need to travel back to the U.K. In view of what little time she had left to sort things out following her quarantine period she elected to leave her jab and hope that the Spanish rollout would eventually catch up.
She has now just been given the date for her first jab here for Friday the 28th May, her second to follow on 18th June. So ultimately, she’ll be fully vaccinated over three weeks earlier.
Very good point after a really poor start Spain is now vaccinating at pace and rapidly catching up in some places they have moved into 40 to 50 bracket . Not sure that 3 week gap is right though all the science is suggesting 8 to 12 weeks offers best protection
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Hi
Before we all get on the plane just be aware of the current comparison between Spain and the UK.
New Cases 7 day daily average Spain 6,538 UK 2,268 Deaths Spain 93 daily average UK 10. The population of Spain is 42% smaller than the UK so factor this in and they have a long way to go and visitors ignoring the UK Government's advice need to be very careful.
Derek
As scary as you’d like to paint that picture.
Bear in mind we’re on a GA board, Elche hospital has zero current covid patients, and the figures for the whole of the Valencia region are pretty much inline with what you’re quoting for the U.K.
As long as people arriving adhere to the mask wearing and social distancing rules that the locals have complied with for the last year, hopefully, things should be fine.
Not a picture I am painting but as at the 21st May these are the figures;
Hospitals: There are currently 143 people admitted to Valencian hospitals across the three provinces: 25 in the province of Castellón, with 2 patients in ICU; 38 in the province of Alicante, 11 of them in ICU; and 80 in the province of Valencia, 23 of them in ICU.
Derek
https://alicantetoday.com/-54-new-covid-cases-in-the-last-24-hours-alicante-province-covid-update-may-20_1602709-a.html?#bottom_navigate
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And returning to the original subject of this post, vaccinations.
My wife, who’s 55, unfortunately had to travel back to the U.K. in April due to a family bereavement, she had the opportunity to book a first jab whilst there ( once she’d completed her ten day quarantine ) for 19th April. Her second jab would have been the 12th July, for which she would need to travel back to the U.K. In view of what little time she had left to sort things out following her quarantine period she elected to leave her jab and hope that the Spanish rollout would eventually catch up.
She has now just been given the date for her first jab here for Friday the 28th May, her second to follow on 18th June. So ultimately, she’ll be fully vaccinated over three weeks earlier.
Very good point after a really poor start Spain is now vaccinating at pace and rapidly catching up in some places they have moved into 40 to 50 bracket . Not sure that 3 week gap is right though all the science is suggesting 8 to 12 weeks offers best protection
Obviously, like anything, that would depend on which report you choose to believe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55777084
The U.K. actually started roll out with the three week gap, but then took the decision to extend to 12 weeks in order to administer more first jabs.
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Pwester
Your are taking the P if you think anyone would now trust the BBC. Their reporter forging documents and the subsequent management coverup as reported by Lord Dyson together with the alleged victimisation of whistle-blowers. A lot of leftie rubbish at best.
Derek
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Good point pewster the report I was reading was from an independent American university who have done a lot of deep research on it . Their outcome was for long term protection 8 -12 weeks was best . But for quickest protection 4 - 6 weeks was best . They also concluded that a winter booster is probably needed for everyone this year dropping down to only over 60s next year.
The most interesting part was that there is minimal difference in protection in both the Pfizer and AZ jabs both in effectiveness, whether you can pass it in still or most importantly any side effects including blood clotting , something often thrown at the AZ jab but the reality is it’s no worse than Pfizer or Moderna
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Pwester
Your are taking the P if you think anyone would now trust the BBC. Their reporter forging documents and the subsequent management coverup as reported by Lord Dyson together with the alleged victimisation of whistle-blowers. A lot of leftie rubbish at best.
Derek
Derek, you really need to expand your vocabulary of insults beyond your normal labelling of everything contrary to your own opinion as ‘lefty’
It would make you a far more pleasant person to converse with :D
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Good point pewster the report I was reading was from an independent American university who have done a lot of deep research on it . Their outcome was for long term protection 8 -12 weeks was best . But for quickest protection 4 - 6 weeks was best . They also concluded that a winter booster is probably needed for everyone this year dropping down to only over 60s next year.
The most interesting part was that there is minimal difference in protection in both the Pfizer and AZ jabs both in effectiveness, whether you can pass it in still or most importantly any side effects including blood clotting , something often thrown at the AZ jab but the reality is it’s no worse than Pfizer or Moderna
What I personally find interesting, is that the Pfizer scientists who effectively invented the vaccine still maintain their initial view that the initial 3 to 4 weeks remains correct.
The vast majority of reports challenging that view, are produced from countries that have subsequently extended that.
We also have to take into account, each countries use of alternate suppliers vaccines.
Because of the slow initial response across Europe, we’ve ended up with a far higher roll out of the Pfizer variant than the others.
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For anyone wanting info about the centres in GA offering Covid tests for returning to UK here are the contact details, prices, addresses, opening hours etc (at the bottom of the link)
https://www.alicanteholidayvillas.com/corona-virus-information
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Not only is it within the rules to go - (rightly or wrongly depending on your opinion) we are being positively encouraged.
There is a link at the bottom of the main article about the desert in Almeria - worth a couple of days if you have never been.
https://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/32860/you-deserve-spain-ad-campaign-to-encourage-holidaymakers-to-return?utm_campaign=newsletter_20210523&utm_content=news_24691&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sub_newsletter
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Pwester
Your are taking the P if you think anyone would now trust the BBC. Their reporter forging documents and the subsequent management coverup as reported by Lord Dyson together with the alleged victimisation of whistle-blowers. A lot of leftie rubbish at best.
Derek
The issue is I believe is the constant gaslighting by our leader and the other dimwits that currently run the country, a total lack of clarity with every announcement shrouded in ambiguity and vagueness, into this vacuum we all pile trying to knit the fog of nonsense that has been created. The question is though is the fog deliberate or just incompetence.
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Thank you AHV. Very useful info about the tests. The test must be taken not more than 3 days before you return to the UK (GovUK).
Also thank you DaveG. I have added this to my list of places to visit once normality returns.
There were some derogatory remarks made here about the administration of this Forum, I have therefore removed them - ADMIN.
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Evening B&W - that's a bit of a show stopper; I had your comments down as tongue in cheek and a bit of a light entertainment after some of the other less well though out posts.
Also just noticed - a belated Happy Birthday Pewster.
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Spot on DaveG. Certainly not aimed at the admin. Just a positive post for a change and a tongue-in-cheek comment aimed at the bickering which goes on.
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Also just noticed - a belated Happy Birthday Pewster.
Thankyou Dave
But alas, as today’s been one of those rare days where it’s continually lashed down in GA and continues to do so, I elected against frequenting the local bars much.
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Sorry to hear that but hope you had a good day anyway.
On a positive note for me your description of the rain is great news. I've been worrying about some of my established plants and the longevity of the battery in my irrigation system. The plants were checked a while ago and were OK, I'm out on the 31st so the rain is a blessing for my peace of mind.
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Not wishing to resort to politics, but just questioning my earlier reasoning from months ago.
Following the latest U.K. action to now move Portugal to amber, am I the only one still thinking the U.K. governments actions seem to be more concerned with people’s pounds staying in good old Blighty to cover the accumulated debt rather than the pandemic, which is all becoming rather a useful excuse ?
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At the risk of joining you in the "lefty" camp i couldn't agree more.
As you have posted in the past there seems an air of inevitability about it.
And actually I'm more a small c Conservative.
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At the risk of joining you in the "lefty" camp i couldn't agree more.
As you have posted in the past there seems an air of inevitability about it.
And actually I'm more a small c Conservative.
I think you’re alright, you’re likely to be lefty alone 😉
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Interesting..... :o
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It’s yet to be officially confirmed, but it would appear that following EU pressure, from Monday, the Spanish government will see a modicum of sense and insist upon a negative test for U.K. non residents to enter.
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https://english.elpais.com/economy_and_business/2021-06-04/spain-to-welcome-global-travelers-from-next-week-but-they-must-have-been-vaccinated-14-days-previously.html
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It’s yet to be officially confirmed, but it would appear that following EU pressure, from Monday, the Spanish government will see a modicum of sense and insist upon a negative test for U.K. non residents to enter.
Or double vaccination I believe
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This does NOT apply to visitors from the UK the BOE has confirmed this morning...UK citizens are still free to enter Spain with no PCR or vaccine passport on arrival.
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Thanks AHV have been waiting for clarification on this.
Means we can change our flights and come out a bit earlier as I was waiting for my 14 days after 2nd vaccine.
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This does NOT apply to visitors from the UK the BOE has confirmed this morning...UK citizens are still free to enter Spain with no PCR or vaccine passport on arrival.
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This does NOT apply to UK Nationals....unless they have previously travelled to a 'risk' country in the previous 14 days they can enter Spain without a PCR test or proof of vaccination....here is the link on the UK Government website. https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements