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Gran Alacant Forum => General Discussions => Topic started by: Derek on October 31, 2020, 22:19.
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There are also changes to travel, as outbound international travel will be banned, except for work and travel within the UK will be discouraged, also except for work.
This is the law from Thursday here in England
Derek
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Just for clarity Derek. (from a GOV.UK FAQ site)
"it is not immediately clear if this will be a legal ban or just guidance.
People will be told not to travel unless for a limited number of essential exemptions - similar to those for leaving your house (above).
People will be expected not to go on holidays, either domestically in the UK or abroad.
Travel for work - including abroad - will still be allowed.
It was not immediately clear if this would be a legal ban or just guidance. The current system of travel corridors was expected to remain in place."
So my flight to Lanzarote is on tomorrow at 06:45 and I am on it - away for 10 days. Not "gaming" the system has been often quoted - just doing as I am allowed. If I cant get back I'll stay
Memo - Lanzarote case rate is 23 / 100,000 over the last 7 days
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Lanzarote has a rate of 23 per 100,000 where as your home town has a rate of 198 per 100,000 and it's a rate that is rapidly increasing......surely that's the important figure to be quoting.
We live in a holiday resort in the UK, as residents we are almighty sick of the influx of visitor coming from places with higher levels of infection, they may well be allowed to, but what about their moral obligation?
We are now in the Tinsel and Turkey season, I was very pleased to read of hotels last week taking the decision to contact those in Tier 3 areas and cancel their bookings.
Rant over!!
Regards all, stay safe
John
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There are also changes to travel, as outbound international travel will be banned, except for work and travel within the UK will be discouraged, also except for work.
This is the law from Thursday here in England
Derek
Listening to Michael Gove on Andrew Marr this morning Derek his view seemed to concur with yours.
Regards all
John
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I agree it’s quite clear you can fly out before Thursday for any reason but from Thursday it is illegal to go to an airport for any reason unless you are travelling to your main home or arriving from abroad
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Just changed my flights, moved them back a week so I fly out tomorrow.
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Don’t thin’ I’d move my flights mate , I reckon Spain is heading for similar very quickly and you may not be able to get back
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Must move my flights comment.
Can you not see the danger. There is a real chance of death as the health services cannot cope. Yet a few are trying to beat the date. I just wonder if the virus works to the same calendar as the human race does!
Derek
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Well if I could travel I would try & get out of uk for a few weeks. What’s uk got going for it at present, wet, windy with nothing open compared to Spain, warm, sunny & bars open until 23.30!!
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I just give in. Everyone here knows my view, so pointless repeating it. If nothing else the opinions on here (well roughly half of them) just reinforce my view that the human species is doomed, and more selfish than I realised before.
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I doubt it will matter soon GA veteran I reckon Spain will be in lockdown inside 2 weeks as well and we will see lots of moaning and begging for repatriation flights
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Well if I could travel I would try & get out of uk for a few weeks. What’s uk got going for it at present, wet, windy with nothing open compared to Spain, warm, sunny & bars open until 23.30!!
Answer to your question
What’s uk got going for it at present?
Hospital beds at present.
Derek
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I just give in. Everyone here knows my view, so pointless repeating it. If nothing else the opinions on here (well roughly half of them) just reinforce my view that the human species is doomed, and more selfish than I realised before.
Are you saying those that travel from areas of high infection rate to other areas are the selfish ones or the other way around?
Derek
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I just give in. Everyone here knows my view, so pointless repeating it. If nothing else the opinions on here (well roughly half of them) just reinforce my view that the human species is doomed, and more selfish than I realised before.
Gavetran i share your annoyance, 6 months ago i stated my opinions regarding the “Im alright Jacks” sod the rest of you element. And as i and others predicted were back to point zero if not worse, are they bothered, i dont think so. I will say no more as on final warning.
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@Derek. I am saying people travelling for a stint here in the sun are the selfish ones. I think you have misconstrued my sarasm (lowest for of whit after all) on a few occasions. For the record I think people should have the common decensy to follow the "logic behind the rules" and not "the letter of the rules".
Right now I could for example (fully within the rules) grab a taxi Alicante and spend the evening pubbing and clubbing and then jump on a flight to an isolated Inuit community. Could I - sure. SHOUD I - probably not. Others don't share my view.
I am "low risk" by the way. At least in my opinion. Fit and ready. Those around me, and also the economy.... not so much. So no holidays for me this year...or the next two.
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Spot on. I totally agree. When you read here in the UK that the Police have to break up to large gatherings of young people last night. One being over 500 people at a rave near Bristol. Five Police cars had their tyres slashed whilst there. What hope is there really for us.
I am 77 years plus but very fit (I think) but am I worried about this? yes I am both for our health and the economy.
What a nightmare for those in charge as they cannot win which ever course they steer.
Derek
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There does appear to be a significant minority with the self-preservation instincts of lemmings. In the words of Private Fraser "We're doooomed I tell ye, we're doomed"
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Not sure what comments about illegal raves, visiting night clubs & Inuit population has to do with someone who is perfectly legitimate in visiting their own property or going on a well deserved holiday.
People are just getting carried away with the burn them at the stake mentality if someone does something they don’t agree with!!
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Definition of selfish.
lacking consideration for other people; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.
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"Well-deserved".
Bert
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I think regards holidaying, abroad as long as you follow the rules of your own country and the one you are visiting I can't see the problem, we had two weeks in GA in October, we traveled legitimately, filled in the forms, wore masks and used hand gel we quarantined for two weeks when we returned home, we spent money in bars and restaurants which is beneficial to the area. I really think now in the UK that people are going to die not from the virus but through undiagnosed conditions like cancer and heart attacks, five years ago my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer and two years later I had a bad heart attack, had these events happened now the outcome may have been dire, we are now going to see depression and non covid deaths rocket. It's a pity all the money spent on furlough wasn't spent on shielding the vulnerable and let those fit enough get on with life.
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Agree entirely Kevin.
This conversation is becoming very polarised and heading for lockdown.
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Not sure what comments about illegal raves, visiting night clubs & Inuit population has to do with someone who is perfectly legitimate in visiting their own property or going on a well deserved holiday.
Just to explain that guys... it was obviously an extremely exagerrated example meant to explain my position. But silliness aside, today on the radio there was a government spokesman that voiced a similar opinion to mine. Now I don't agree with even half of the things the government say, but when one of them speaks you might as well listen since it gives an insight into their thinking, and of course their thinking is how we have to end up living. When asked: "Why this lockdown? Why come down so hard? Why not let people take responsibility for their own safety?" - You know what his answer was? He said that one of the reasons that wouldn't work is because people are intent to interpret the guidelines they issue as "the letter of the law", rather than protecting themselves and others by applying some common sense. Hence we all get locked down. Let that sink in. They can't trust the population because of "silly" students beering it up, and because of people like you flying about the place for no particularly food reason. In the middle of a global pandemic.. I'm staying in, and carefully spending the money I have locally. You are a potential super-spreader.
So there you have it. Not just my worthelss opinion, but the opinion of a guy who's opinion actually counts. An opnion of a guy that has just been part of the committee that has locked down the UK BECAUSE "people are perfectly legitimate in ... going on a well deserved holiday".
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I've just removed a few posts from this thread, let's keep it clean and don't get personal.
Regards all
John