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Gran Alacant Forum => General Discussions => Topic started by: Derek on August 20, 2020, 11:32.
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Spain leads Europe in COVID-19 new infections as the month of September becomes CRUCIAL for expats on the Costa del Sol & Costa Blanca
See here
https://global247news.com/2020/08/20/spain-leads-europe-in-covid-19-new-infections-as-the-month-of-september-becomes-crucial-for-expats-on-the-costa-del-sol-costa-blanca/?fbclid=IwAR0ZBia6QdDQ5OfTYSzDSpkvRobnEAUAD6iCEu6WHETrRzxqCdfiSoULUhk
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What I don’t understand is why Spain doesn’t have more local lockdown like UK for hot spots, it seems that Valencia is not too bad but still get all the restrictions of say Madrid.
Saw this report about benidorm where cases are only 6 in 100k
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/19/benidorm-demo-planned-for-this-sunday/
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Morning all - please see below the Stats for "our" area - this is as localised as I can get the data
Source is: https://icvgva.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3a3115ad642a4516b0928f21e395b32d
Been tracking it in a spreadsheet a snap of the sheet is attached
I havent been able to normalise the data by population size - but I think the raw data paints a picture
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Now with the population figures to get to the more recognisable Cases / 100,000
(doesnt help really)
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What I don’t understand is why Spain doesn’t have more local lockdown like UK for hot spots, it seems that Valencia is not too bad but still get all the restrictions of say Madrid.
Saw this report about benidorm where cases are only 6 in 100k
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euroweeklynews.com/2020/08/19/benidorm-demo-planned-for-this-sunday/
Hi Chris & Jackie.
Last 2 weeks for Benidorm + PCR was 73 so now 108 / 100,000. It WAS 6 a few weeks before that but has recently spiked
https://icvgva.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3a3115ad642a4516b0928f21e395b32d
Scroll down the left hand column and you can see each area / town
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Very helpful Beachlife.
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Thanks beachlife, those figures seem horrendous. What’s causing such massive spikes?
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Good work Beach - thanks!
Some scary figures there!
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Today we had a choice....Cycle down the coast road through to Santa Pola or Go out into the quiet areas in the opposite direction. We chose the latter. The coast is packed this week cars every where. Another week and as usual it will be quiet again and the Cv 19 numbers will stabilise. Unfortunately from the start it was always reported that the ones dying were the people with underlying symptoms so the younger generation felt safe (which they probably are).We see on a daily basis the difference in attitude of the generations. Look after number one and do everything to keep yourself safe.
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Trident you are so right do not underestimate the enemy. Protect yourself and by doing so you protect others,
Derek
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Spain 386054 28838 152.7 0.7
United_Kingdom 325642 41429 22.2 0.2
Last 14 days Spain 153 cases per 100,000 people against UK 22 see link below
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-08-24/why-is-spain-being-hit-again-by-the-coronavirus-pandemic.html?fbclid=IwAR04aGru0EImLMac1TkAWGG9un7GT396xQbehF-c5okumT7sbWEC54JAT7I
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Murcia introduces even more draconian measures
https://m.facebook.com/DrivingSpain/
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Here is a pretty good example of why COVID is in a resurgence in Spain;
http://tiny.cc/bwgqsz
Unbelievable
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Think we’ll have to give September visit a miss, several reasons. Flights cancelled continuously, we don’t think we could do the 14days quarantine easily, not keen on face masks for walking around even if social distancing. And main one our annual insurance is not valid for travel against FCO advice and a specialist policy cost is extremely expensive.
If position changes in next 2 weeks we’ll come , if not end October
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Try Staysure Insurance. It cost us an additional £15 a year to cover for travelling against Government advice.
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Try Staysure Insurance. It cost us an additional £15 a year to cover for travelling against Government advice.
Not with existing conditions covered which we have so bit of a deal breaker at moment.
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I filled their form online, declaring heart failure and atrial fibrillation and got quoted £320 a couple for 15 months which increased by £15 a year when we ticked the 'increase cover for travelling against government advice' box option.
They were one of the three firms recommended by the Daily Telegraph for this type of cover, the other two would only cover a trip at a time whereas the Staysure policy covered for the full 15 months.
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Following on from last weeks local Stats - I have updated the spreadsheet this morning for last 14 days to 28/08
Not great to say the least
Data Source:
https://icvgva.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/3a3115ad642a4516b0928f21e395b32d
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As you say, not great. Thanks for your hard work!
Bert
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https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spain-breaks-pandemic-record-with-over-9-700-new-cases/1956626
Is this correct Spain had over 9700 new daily cases on Friday ? Seems like they have lost control. Thought the UK wasn’t handling this very well but this is worse
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Spain seems to include anyone who previously had Covid ie has antibodies as a positive test whereas no other country does. This could be reason for very high numbers.
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I think the way different countries seek and format their data re the virus makes it impossible to make comparisons between countries. We are going out late September, I work for myself so can take two weeks of quarantine off. If I don't get a break I reckon I will need sectioning.
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Saying on Sky news 23,000 new cases since last friday !!
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Yes I am beginning to wonder if life will ever return to dare I say normal. We are creatures of habit and the majority of people here in the UK have got used to being paid to stay at home. Having their shopping delivered rather than visiting the shops. The Government appears to have been handing out money in the form of financial help to business like there is no tomorrow. When the hand outs stop the rise in unemployment will accelerate. I believe that the massive spend has just delayed the inevitability of mass unemployment by a few months. So will travel to Spain ever return to pre-virus levels I doubt so, certainly the thought of having to wear a face mask when going out of your house, with only a few exception, in the heat of Spain does not appeal to me. Plane travel is also a high risk according to today's news on a Tui flight from a Greek Island with seven passengers now having the virus. Would I really like to be confine to my house for fourteen days after returning to the UK from Spain certainly not. I cannot see myself risking a trip to GA until Spain have the infection rate under control; and restriction are lifted. I think that rules out this year and most of next
Derek
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Derek is talking a lot of sense and I agree with him (and I don't normally say that).
In the last month I spent 17 days in Spain and 14 days in quarantine and I think that's going to be the way forward. I had 3 days without quarantine before returning to Spain to start the cycle again.
This added to the 90/180 day rule which will apply to us from 1st January 2021 will cause a lot of changes to the way we spend our time in Spain.
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Hi Derek I think you are right life is a long way from being normal. My view on handouts etc is that if a company took the furlow money and then didn’t keep the person on for 6 months after they returned then the whole lot should be claimed back by govt and if company goes bust then directors become personally liable . We are too soft
I’m still hoping to get to Spain in Oct
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Latest figures show some decline with 7 day rolling average down as well so not all bad news.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/
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We no longer own a property in GA, but we still holiday several times a year, or should I say we did, we have missed two holidays so far due to Covid....both cancelled through our choice and this weekend we cancelled third, a holiday we have booked to go to Cyprus in November. As pure "holiday makers" we can see no enjoyment in going away at the moment, either with the travelling side of it or the restrictions in place at the destianation, it just woudn't be relaxing.
For the first time in as long as I can remember we are in a position of having no booked holidays in the pipeline.
I had to laugh last night watching the news, there are all these folk saying that we are sheep and that masks do nothing, yet all those people on a TUI flight to Cardiff are belatedly up in arms because not everyone on the flight was wearing a mask!!
We live in a holiday resort in the UK, its been packed for six weeks, we will be very happy next week when all the schools are back and we can have our town and coastal areas back to enjoy in a more relaxed state.
Regards all
John
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Agree with you Spurs, also I think employees have an obligation to go back to work, if you accepted a job working in an office that's where you should be, yes ok perhaps spending one day WFH, trouble is now we have too many people who have got very comfortable being at home.
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The current situation is now starting to wind people up, millions on full or nearly full pay being paid to do nothing until the end of october, its become one big jolly for some. I saw a survey that 9 out 10 people working from home said it was working well and should continue, funnily only 3 out of 10 employers agreed. In my opinion the teachers need to stop creating excuses ( bear in mind theyve been paid £15,000 to do very little since march) and get teaching and everybody needs to get back to work, unless it really isnt safe to do so, no excuses no dragging it out any longer. On the news this morning some important person suggesting we extend furlough until march next year for the hospitality industry. The mind boggles there is no good news just different levels of bad news.
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Likely to be some big tax rises coming next year to pay for all this, already talking about VAT, fuel duty,CGT & pensions changes to claw back costs
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Its inevitable - without doubt general taxation will rise for sure. It will be carefully targeted at areas that will impact the economy the least (but I'm sure it will still be felt)
I have an idea to save some money - Scrap HS2 :o
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I'm not sure that returning to an office environment is particularly desirable. Not from a Covid point of view but an environmental one. Modern tech enables remote working that lends itself well to administrative type jobs and compelling people to go back to the long commute will do nothing for the country's carbon footprint. Whilst it is probably not possible to eliminate office working entirely, I'm sure much could be done to reduce unnecessary travel.
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Can anyone enlighten me on this 90/180 rule,it's the first I have heard of it.Thanks
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In a nutshell Peter from next year when the Brexit transition period ends, British people - in line with other non-EU visitors - will only have the right to stay for 90 days out of 180 days in a Schengen Zone country without a visa.
I guess it's all subject to the "oven ready deal" being in place or not.....
Regards all
John.
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Yep John H has it spot on. We (Mrs BL and I) always thought we might stay for - say 4 months - March to June. As previous legislation was after 180 days you had to / should apply for residencia . That now will change to 90 days in any 180.
So its a maximum stay of 90 d in any 180 day period without visa or residencia
Can anyone enlighten me on this 90/180 rule,it's the first I have heard of it.Thanks
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On the 90 day rule it depends on how strict Spanish authorities are. Would they really stop thousands of brits staying in benidorm for 4 months in winter and impact the economy even more
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For the last 4 years we have stayed February - end June and September to early December. That's all gone now and I try not to be bitter. I'm waiting to see how the deal goes and will seriously consider Residencia if, as I expect, the ideologists get their way.
In answer to Chris and Jackie on the strictness of the Spanish authorities - who knows. If your visa has a expiry on it then presumably you will be in Europe illegally if you exceed the 180 days. It was always the case that stays above 180 days were a bit taboo but with free movement that was just overlooked as it would be too massive an undertaking to monitor it.
Just off on my unicorn now to the sunlit uplands.
Dave
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The 90 day rule will stop people spending six months at a time over here but people like me who spend a couple of weeks every month will be ok.
Document attached
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Very useful - thanks
The 90 day rule will stop people spending six months at a time over here but people like me who spend a couple of weeks every month will be ok.
Document attached
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Money and business always wins, can't see the new rule will make any difference. The Spanish authorities will probably turn a blind eye to it.
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Thanks everyone
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The 90 day rule will stop people spending six months at a time over here but people like me who spend a couple of weeks every month will be ok.
Document attached
Is the 90 day within 180 not cumulative within the period then? If not then a trip for a few days to Gibraltar and you could stay indefinitely. Can't see the legislation allowing that.
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it's 90 days in a rolling 180 days and it's in the EEC not just Spain When you want to go to Spain you have to count back to see if you've spent less than 90 days in the EEC to check whether you can go or not. The calculator works it out for you. Therefore spending a day in Gibraltar won't work.
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Won’t Gibraltar be out as well after Brexit so won’t count towards 90 days,
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I took Tony's reply to mean, after completing 90 days in an EEC country, having a break for a few days in a non-EEC country and then starting the 90 days again. It's 90 days in an EEC country so 90 days in Spain followed by a fortnight in France won't work.
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Added to this the EHIC cards will no longer be valid. Some areas are already refusing to issue new Sip cards as the time is running out. Most private holiday insurance will only cover 90 days away.
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Also need international driving permit & 6 months minimum on passport
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As I understand it if you stay the maximum 90 days anywhere in the Schengen zone then it's 90 days out = disaster.
My travel insurance allows an extension, at a cost, to 180 days. Then one night back in UK and start again.
For those with pets if the UK becomes a third country then it will be a 4 month lead time to take a pet abroad.
Perhaps we need a Consequences of Brexit thread as we are deviating from covid 19 bad news.
Dave
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If you spend 90 days solid you have no choice but to leave for the next 90 days as it will be impossible to return without exceeding the 90 day out of 180 days rule.
You do not have to leave automatically for 90 days when you reach a total of 90 days. For example if you spend 15 days a month from Jan to June at the end of June you have reached 90 days out of 180 days. If you then do 15 days in July the 180 day period runs from Feb to July so you will have only reached 90 days, the same goes for every following month as it's a ROLLING 180 day period.
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Perhaps Joshua 24:14-15 is appropriate. Are you going to be British or Spanish?
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It was a lot easier then, Joshua didn't have to deal with Brussels.
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Morning all.
Sunday spreadsheet update on the Cases / 100,000 locally with some other national stats also
Bottom line further deterioration but slowing
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what happens if you stay 100 days in 1 go ?
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You should be applying for residencia Ian
However because of the Lockdown due to COVID and the resulting enforced stay - I think you'll be OK !
what happens if you stay 100 days in 1 go ?
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If you stay for more than 90 days out of any 180 the spanish authorities will deem you to be a resident. You then have to fill in a form 720 where you declare all your foreign assets over £50000 to the spanish authorities ie.
Foreign bank accounts, regardless of the currency
Financial assets, like stocks, mutual funds, ETF’s, securities, insurance policies, endowments, pension Funds, and similar investments
Foreign real estate properties or any other interest therein.
As you are deemed to be a spanish resident any foreign income (eg pension) will be taxed here.
I personally won't be exceeding the 90 day limits.
it's worth googling this, there are some horror stories.
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Valencia have extended the restrictions on bars etc for a further 21 days and extended to casinos. Report on n332 Facebook
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Look here at the latest detail. Don't zoom in on Gran Alacant if you are thinking about a holiday there. Seems a very bad area together with Santa Pola (Rise in Cases)
http://coronavirus.san.gva.es/estadisticas?fbclid=IwAR206bI7H_1Io6BToZkV-MSupnTuH5uzCRPx_5eYKiwJ93nYf-TSEhuA7y4
Derek
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Look here at the latest detail. Don't zoom in on Gran Alacant if you are thinking about a holiday there. Seems a very bad area together with Santa Pola (Rise in Cases)
http://coronavirus.san.gva.es/estadisticas?fbclid=IwAR206bI7H_1Io6BToZkV-MSupnTuH5uzCRPx_5eYKiwJ93nYf-TSEhuA7y4
Derek
Looks like 36 new cases in Santa pola which includes Gran Alacant in last 14 days so doesn’t sound that bad to me?
Santa Pola: 171 | 36 | 5
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There just might be 35 plus 1 that might not agree with you!
Derek
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As per my sheet above.
Santa Pola (inc GA) is 113 cases per 100,000
Although the trends on cases are not good the mortality rate / profile seems completly different to hw it was in April / May - see attached
Edited: On the news this am: Leeds are considering local lockdown measures as they are 34 cases / 100,000
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36 cases isn’t too horrendous in that size area. Whilst not brilliant wouldn’t put me off. We have worse clusters in the UK. Now that less people are being hospitalized and dying, maybe the virus is mutating and weakening. Time to move on and get on with our lives.
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The number of cases at any location have to be put into perspective; are they all young and asymptomatic, or all with co-morbitities, or in family groups, tested because they showed symptoms etc etc.or a mix of any of the above.
There are probably a lot more cases but until everyone is tested you will never get a true picture and that would only be a snapshot. This is a moving target and 113 cases per 100000 is 0.113%, hardly cause for alarm but higher that the 0.02% to get your country on the UK quarantine register.
The lower number of deaths / hospitalisations is probably down to the age of the infected falling as the young think (to some extent correctly) that they are invulnerable and the elderly taking precautions commensurate with their perceived risk.
I am in the latter bracket going about my normal routine taking what I consider sensible measures to protect myself and others whilst not letting this rule my life.
Dave
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Hi Nicki - not debating about how serious issues are and I am aligned with DaveG's view
Hard to compare UK to Spain. Valencia reports cases over the last 14 days that is where the 111/ 100,000 comes from.
UK reports over the last 7 days - Worst area is Bradford at 64/100,000 this week and 68 last week. Cumulative 134/100,000
There is nowhere that has a higher 14 days positive case test than SP/GA apart from Bradford - per capita
Agreed it is a very small amount still though
36 cases isn’t too horrendous in that size area. Whilst not brilliant wouldn’t put me off. We have worse clusters in the UK. Now that less people are being hospitalized and dying, maybe the virus is mutating and weakening. Time to move on and get on with our lives.
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Blimey - this is the last thing I would be doing if I had COVID.
But then I cant surf anyway !! 8) 8) 8)
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-09-08/woman-arrested-for-surfing-in-northern-spain-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19.html
Chekc out the video
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https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-09-10/spain-reports-8866-new-coronavirus-cases-but-incidence-falls-in-madrid.html?fbclid=IwAR3fLofISTqYVqh3WgrEfyObgiX9tb6vGEjKk8iHuQbSEVcjNgbZ6uPVYks
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Seems that Spain has a mega problem. 10,764 new cases yesterday with a population of 47 million) Here in the UK 2,919 new cases with a population of 67 million (I don't think that includes those arriving by dinghy).
Derek
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Weekend update - not great for SP / GA as we are now on 42 cases. So using the "normal" stat thats a rise from 111 to 131/100,000
Usual Local/ regional country comparison attached
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Report from el pais shows cases still bad in Spain although Valencia not as bad as others. With some of strictest restrictions in Europe why is Spain so bad?
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-09-16/official-coronavirus-deaths-in-spain-now-exceed-30000-with-total-infections-at-603167.html
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A third of infections are in Madrid. Compared with the rest of Spain it is concentrated in a very small area. In the early days of lockdown the ruling party needed the support of the other parties to pass further extensions to the lockdown which resulted in in a political favour to the other party. Now the economy matters more than lives. Through out history it has always been known as CANNON FODER. This is what we are.
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Life and well being is reliant on a good economy, there has to be a balance between controlling the virus and keeping people in jobs and earning money for food and to live.
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Kevin surely those in power only need to print more money. The trouble is that a lot of people here in the UK have found that a different life style suits them. A reduced wage for staying at home which when the savings made by not commuting equates to an improvement in real disposable income. The trouble is we all thought (well most of us did) that there was a need to work in order to eat etc but I am beginning to think that there is a better alternative. I suppose if interest rates remain low and the capital is never repaid we can all go on spending. Certainly todays politicians seem to adopt a more socialistic view of life.
It will certainly take a Del boy in his Batman outfit to balance the books once the real cost is established.
We do however need the restrictions lifted for travel to and from GA so that more can enjoy their free time. I expect those working from home can just as easily do this whilst laying on the beach
Derek
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Sorry for the break in service.
I've done the stats (cases / 100,000) for local areas and countries for comparison.
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Thanks again for giving us a comprehensive picture.
Bert
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Ta Bert
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This weeks update attached.
Luckily off to Lanzarote on 1st Nov .... 8)
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Enjoy your holiday.
Hope the Brits don´t bring infections with them!
Bert
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I read yesterday that to get into the Canaries from the UK (and some other countries which escape me) you have to either have a Covid test on arrival or a test and pass in the UK not more that 72 hours before arrival.
No doubt BL has it in hand and can advise and how much does that cost.
What happens to your jollies if you have a test in the UK and fail. :-[ and even worse if you fail on arrival >:( >:(
Dave
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No - its hassle free Dave no checks either end (for now)
"The Canary Islands, Mykonos, the Maldives and Denmark have been added to the government’s travel corridor list following a decrease in confirmed cases of coronavirus.
From 4am on Sunday 25 October, passengers arriving to the UK from these destinations will no longer need to self-isolate, so long as they haven’t been in or transited through any other non-exempt countries in the 14 days preceding their arrival"
Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/canary-islands-denmark-maldives-and-mykonos-added-to-travel-corridor-exempt-list
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One more day of self quarantine after arriving back in UK from GA, have had no calls or knocks on our front door, other people we know who have quarantined have heard nothing either, think the powers to be rely on people sticking to the rules.
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Yea we done the same in August, No calls no checks, 2 weeks wasted !!!!
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Not wasted. The more people comply with the restrictions and quarantines, the sooner we will get on top of this. Flout the rules and act in a careless way will mean we will struggle with this virus indefinitely. The quickest way to escape restrictions is to comply with them.
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I read yesterday that to get into the Canaries from the UK (and some other countries which escape me) you have to either have a Covid test on arrival or a test and pass in the UK not more that 72 hours before arrival.
No doubt BL has it in hand and can advise and how much does that cost.
What happens to your jollies if you have a test in the UK and fail. :-[ and even worse if you fail on arrival >:( >:(
Dave
We were supposed to be in Cyprus now, they have a system in place were you have to produce evidence of a negative Covid test, with the test being taken I think it was 48 hours before your arrival..if you can not produce this you are not allowed entry. With the pressure that our testing facilities are under we didn't feel it right to use up their valuable capacity for something as trivial as a holiday, we could also not guarantee that we could have the result back in 48 hours. In all honesty I will also add that we did not feel comfortable going on holiday at the moment as we wouldn't enjoy ourselves or feel relaxed with all the restrictions in place.
I agree with Tony's comments above re quarantine on your return home, checks or not it should just be done.
Regards all
John
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Not wasted. The more people comply with the restrictions and quarantines, the sooner we will get on top of this. Flout the rules and act in a careless way will mean we will struggle with this virus indefinitely. The quickest way to escape restrictions is to comply with them.
Totally agree with you Tony whilst there are people amongst us who think its all a waste of time or try every opportunity to undermine the rules, then we will still be in this position in 5 years time. When you see and here incidents on the news of non compliance it does make you question, why?
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Yea we done the same in August, No calls no checks, 2 weeks wasted !!!!
...and there you have it. The reason we'll be locked down again soon, then let out in time to spend money for Christmas. New state of alarm here as of this morning. Meetings of more than six are sure to go.
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I went out to GA in August and did my two weeks prison on return. No big deal it’s easy enough to comply with . A mate of mine who came back a week later did get a call from the home office to check he was at home . Apparently they ring at random if your not in it’s a fine , or if you have a mobile number and they ring that if you answer they then check where the phone is , if your not at home it’s a fine ,if you don’t answer they again check where phone is ,if it’s at home they call back and go through process again if it’s not at home it’s a fine. . I also know someone who had a person from gov knock on his door to check. So be warned checks are happening,probably not many but it’s not worth the risk either financially or for the health of others.
If you travel do the two weeks quarantine we all need to do our bit
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I know what you mean but I came out of isolation,
After 2 weeks , back to work on a building site with over a hundred others,
Probably 50 different households, might catch it there !!!!!, I know it’s got to be done but there MUST be a BETTER way .????
Booked for a weekend, end of November, what’s that old song ( should I stay or should I Go ) 😂😂😂😂😷😷😷
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Steve, you went away on holiday, coming into contact with bunches of people you don't normally meet. After completing the quaranteen you went back to work with "over a hundred others" and DID NOT GIVE IT TO THEM - You see the picture here? It's about OTHER PEOPLE not you! What you want to hope, is that if any of those 100 people put themselves at risk they will complete the quaranteed to protect you!
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Had something sent to me this am. from the N332 Facebook page regarding the Valencian governments announcement of curfew and re-statement of control ahead of a new "State of Alarm" that is coming out tomorrow (26th).
The bit that caught my eye is 4.5 - I'll put the rest below:
"4.5. Use of a mask is obliged at all times except at the moment of eating or drinking."
Was that always the rule or does anyone think that's new ? I have always taken my mask off as I sat down - putting it on again to leave or use the facilities. Previously I haven't been encouraged to leave the mask on until eating / drinking. It "sort of" implies that you need to move your mask to one side each time you sip or take a mouthful
I haven't got the original Spanish to look at the translation nut I am hoping that the "moment@~ referred to was simply after sitting down and placing your order
The rest is below:
3.1 Measures applying to gardens and park and open air spaces.
Parks and open air spaces will remain open only from 8 am to 22pm.
4. Measures applying to Restaurants and Hospitality establishments.
4.1. Consumption of food or alcohol always must be seated at a table, inside or outside on terraces.
4.2. At the tables, or table groupings, inside or outside on terraces, the number of people is restricted to a maximum of 6.
4.3. The bars can only be used for people ordering and collecting an order (not to sit or stand at).
4.4. Closing time of establishments will be 0.00 (midnight), not being able to accept new orders/seat new tables from 23.00 pm.
4.5. Use of a mask is obliged at all times except at the moment of eating or drinking.
4.6. Strict measures of ventilation and air conditioning must be carried out.
5. Measures Relating to the Sale of Alcohol
5.1. Sale of alcohol is prohibited during the time slot of 22 pm and 8 am of the following day, in all types of establishment that sell to the public, regardless of the licence they operate under, except in the hospitality establishments that will follow point 4.4.
5.2. As well, it is prohibited to drink alcohol in public streets, 24 hours a day.
Following the science !
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Think you should abide by the quarantine rules, it does get tedious but done a lot of decorating and house cleaning, done an hour a day learning Spanish and have tried to stay off the beer and lose weight.
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No - its hassle free Dave no checks either end (for now)
Hi Beach Life
From Sky News today - watch this space it only says they "aim" to pass a law. Hopefully you will be in and out before it happens. I'm hoping my trip across Spain this weekend counts as essential travel as some regions en route have, or are planning, to ban all but essential travel.
Canary Islands visitors will need negative tests
Spain's Canary Islands aim to pass a law this week demanding a negative COVID-19 test result from tourists wanting to visit the archipelago off northwest Africa.
President Ángel Víctor Torres says the measure will apply to both Spaniards and foreigners.
New infections have been soaring across Spain except for the Canary Islands, a popular tourist destination.
He said the law was being prepared even before the UK and Germany recently lifted travel restrictions to the Canary Islands. Those two countries account for more than half the archipelago’s 13 million annual visitors.
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Thank you Dave - I have read the same. Running out of time to get a test if needed as we are away on Sunday so hopefully we will be over by the time of the rule change.
I would not use up a NHS slot unnecessarily so I have looked at private and they pretty expensive at £140 each - but I'll do the necessary and follow the guidance
I think the best source for clear direction is the gov.uk site as it takes its info straight from Spains equal site and i am subscribed for Spain updates.
Fingers crossed
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All the regions are now shutting borders but at least Valencia is big enough to travel in. Valencia also seems to have some of lightest restrictions with curfew only starting midnight and bars etc open.
Any way still stuck back in UK with terrible weather & all sorts of restrictions !
Supposed to be out at new year but can’t see that happening with flights getting amended or cancelled every other week !
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Am I right in thinking that you could no longer drive from say Santander to GA?
Derek
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Seems a bit confusing but I think you are allowed to drive through areas of way to houses, work etc. there is more information on n332 Facebook page about restrictions
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At the moment, you can only travel between Autonomous Communities if you are going to work or to your habitual residence, not a second/holiday home.
You can however fly into Alicante from another country without quarantine restriction in Spain, but you then cannot travel by car/rail etc outside the Valencian Community.
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We left GA this morning and are staying overnight in Pamplona on our way to Calais. As we are going to our habitual residence (UK) we are ok, I have my Eurotunnel booking printed out as proof. Not been stopped so far but big police presence at junctions all the way once we left Valencia province.
All the motorway overhead gantries have signs saying if stopped you must justify your journey.
Maybe police ignore us as we are in UK registered vehicle with roof box. That may be a way round the rules if you're a criminal. ;)
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@DaveG well done. Sock it to them! See you back here in the sun sometime soon :) While I stay here in in my house worrying about the future of my sons business here in Spain, people like you give me a sense of hope that none of it matters. Cheers.
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Yes none of it matters until you or someone you know catches the virus. As for getting around the rules are they not there to protect human life. The more people that bend the rules the longer this will go on for and the more will die as a result.
Derek
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GAV / Derek,
I'm not sure if it's my travels or my bad joke about an elderly couple being used as a cover for serious criminal activities that incurred your wrath. I'm hoping it was the bad joke but if it's my travels then you had better get over it. I have neither broken nor bent any rules, regulations or laws and follow health guidance to the letter. For you to suggest that I am somehow to blame for the future of your sons business is stretching things a bit far.
You have no idea how long I have been in Spain or the reason for my very early return (I had intended to stay until end March) so it wasn't a quick jolly just to upset you.
Dave
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DaveG
The more people travel the more the virus can and will spread. If you are happy taking that risk then fine (Hopefully you are not intending to take a holiday in Dorset).
People have not acted in a way that prevents the spread and that is why we are all about to suffer with the 2nd lockdown.
Derek
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Let's keep it clean please, if it carries on like this the thread will be closed.
Regards all
John
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I flew in to Alc yesterday morning and as we flew over Spain there seemed to be quite a few flashing blue lights on the motorways - something I've never noticed before. Presumably the police are stopping and checking people crossing the Valencia region's boundaries.
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I flew in to Alc yesterday morning and as we flew over Spain there seemed to be quite a few flashing blue lights on the motorways - something I've never noticed before. Presumably the police are stopping and checking people crossing the Valencia region's boundaries.
You’re risking it, saying you’re in Spain will no doubt lead to a load of unfriendly comments from the usual suspects 😂
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Thread closed.