Post by: veronica on April 12, 2018, 12:56.
Some people ( not the majority) from the urb. had a meeting and put posters up saying workmen would be coming to remove their chairs , tables and awnings . according to the bar owners this situation has a court case pending. However that did not seem to stop the administration of sierra mar urb organising 3 skips of huge bolders arriving at 2.am with workmen about to place them around the square. This would have been carried out had it not been for 1 of the proprietors being present and phoning the police who stopped the workmen for now.
Post by: Spurs on April 12, 2018, 13:05.
Post by: puddy-woo on April 12, 2018, 14:25.
Yes it’s all over Facebook it’s the same house owners who don’t like the bars because of noise etc my view is if you don’t want a house near a bar don’t buy one those buildings have always been designated commercial so I don’t see issue . The police have stopped it for nowWhat FB pages Spurs. I feel like i’m missing out!!!!
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Post by: Spurs on April 12, 2018, 14:40.
Post by: llamedos on April 12, 2018, 16:05.
I wonder if people are aware of the debacle at sierra mar square where dick turpins, zest and marian's bar etc operate.
Some people ( not the majority) from the urb. had a meeting and put posters up saying workmen would be coming to remove their chairs , tables and awnings . according to the bar owners this situation has a court case pending. However that did not seem to stop the administration of sierra mar urb organising 3 skips of huge bolders arriving at 2.am with workmen about to place them around the square. This would have been carried out had it not been for 1 of the proprietors being present and phoning the police who stopped the workmen for now.
Sounds like a similar situation that has crippled the Carrabasi bars, no loud music unless you have a special licence, for instance Molly's can only have music for 30 days a year. This place could end up a ghost town in tears to come.
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Post by: Spurs on April 12, 2018, 16:21.
Post by: DaveG on April 12, 2018, 19:42.
I'm not familiar with the situation at Sierra Mar but for a bar in a residential area to be licenced solely as a bar then to get that licence it has to be soundproofed internally and have airlock doors on all entrances and all the sound generated must stay in the premise. This is an expensive licence to obtain due to the initial outlay required. It's not a special licence it is just the licence that applies.
For a bar / restaurant in a residential area the licence is cheaper but the downside is that they are not allowed to play live music - not even Karaoke.
Regarding the Carabassi Bars when the bars were leased originally the first owners obviously had to do things correctly - note O'Duills, Oceans, Yellow Submarine and the Carabassi Bar (now Brothers) that still have the airlock doors. Subsequent owners (Brothers and Oceans) have stretched the rules a bit and have abandoned the airlock doors so when anyone enters or leaves the sound carries across the street. Oceans discovered that to their cost last year when they were fined for playing live music with the doors open at 2am.
Molly Malones originally the Maria Jose restaurant only has a bar / restaurant licence and consequently is not allowed to play live music and has to shut earlier - 1.30am. The solution is simple but expensive soundproof the premise and fit airlock doors.
I think it was in late 2015 when following lots of complaints from residents all the bar owners were called to a meeting at Santa Pola Town Hall and reminded of the rules and at that point they were told to elect the type of licence they required.
The rules are in place to enable the bars to prosper but not at the detriment of residents; live and let live, and it's not fair to brand residents as grumpy because a few landlords want a cheap bar / restaurant licence but operate as a bar. Didn't they know the rules when they took the premise on or did they think no-one would complain. The more responsible bar owners must be disappointed to see the likes of Molly's flout the rules and I don't think they can have music 30 days a year either - just operate within their licence.
Sorry it's a bit long but I hope it clarifies the situation somewhat.
Dave
Dave
Post by: Spurs on April 12, 2018, 19:52.
The bars up there don’t play loud music but there is obviously noise generated particularly in the summer ,this is not new some people on that community have been against these bars for 15 years and this is just the latest in that battle . Today’s action was stopped by the police after they were shown the correct licenses by the bars
Post by: chris and jackie on April 12, 2018, 23:15.
Post by: gaveteran on April 13, 2018, 09:42.
The last time I was there was also a Sunday, the place was deafening, people screaming and downing shots outside the beautifully named "Chasers" on an "all day Sunday session". Its was charming.
Post by: Chris C on April 13, 2018, 19:31.
I think what's sad is the way that the British, and is certainly predominantly the British, abuse these open areas. Perhaps some of the residents who bought near the commercial units thought that there would be a mix if units, and that the few that were bars would have people sitting outside them having a glass of white wine and chatting quietly in the sun. That's a far cry from what they do get. I've even had Spanish friends tell me they've dropped into that square - on a Sunday especially - just to "look at" the way the people there are behaving. It's literally a source of amusement for them, like going to the zoo I suppose.
The last time I was there was also a Sunday, the place was deafening, people screaming and downing shots outside the beautifully named "Chasers" on an "all day Sunday session". Its was charming.
Sorry but I think you must be thinking of a different square! ::) Chasers is owned an run by a very nice Spanish lady (Marieanne) so I would class as a Spanish bar.....
Post by: Spurs on April 13, 2018, 20:55.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 14, 2018, 06:41.
Post by: gaveteran on April 14, 2018, 10:50.
Sorry but I think you must be thinking of a different square!
No, the right square, but this was some time ago - the last time I ever wanted to go. If things have since transformed into idyllic sun-kissed plaza with the chinking of wine glasses, pleasant chit-chat and tapas then I retract my comment. I'll drop by one Sunday afternoon and have a look. Investigative journalism! Right here on the forum! haha
Post by: John H on April 19, 2018, 15:05.
Regards all
John
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Post by: Spurs on April 19, 2018, 19:47.
Wouldn’t want to be them at AGM
Post by: John H on April 19, 2018, 20:55.
Regards all
John
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Post by: DaveG on April 20, 2018, 17:32.
Hi Spurs, I don't object to the bars per se in fact the proximity is very convenient, also any noise people make when leaving is obviously out of the landlords control and is something you have to accept.
What I do object to is an establishment playing music they are not licenced to play, at hours when their licence says they should be shut, and at high volume with all the doors and windows open (as it saves money on aircon). Then to be told I shouldn't have bought a house near a commercial unit. Perhaps the argument should be that the landlord shouldn't have opened a bar in a residential area without checking the conditions of the licence. People close by have young children and also have to get up for work.
BTW I was having Sunday lunch last week at the Belfry and had to suffer the "singer" opposite at the Pub. I'll never go there again either even though the food was quite good.
Dave
Post by: Spurs on April 20, 2018, 18:24.
Post by: BeachLife on April 23, 2018, 16:28.
The loccks have been replaced on all gates except the capark side gate opposite Sueno Azul. The locks are pretty top end and I imagine a copy will be expensive - not the sort of design that the shoe-mender has down at the GA centre
Post by: Spurs on April 23, 2018, 17:14.
Post by: BeachLife on April 23, 2018, 17:49.
Post by: ian-steele on June 05, 2018, 11:24.
Post by: Spurs on June 05, 2018, 11:42.
Post by: Corporal Jones on June 05, 2018, 19:29.
Post by: ian-steele on June 06, 2018, 12:17.
Post by: Spurs on June 06, 2018, 19:44.
Post by: Corporal Jones on June 07, 2018, 08:22.
Don’t get it corporal jones if it’s not for you don’t go simple don’t make out you superior to those who go it’s all about choices I quite like it in there if I didn’t I wouldn’t go doesn’t make me any better or worse than you just differentI can assure you it has nothing to do with being superior blah blah, i frequent Paletta,Patagonia and Dick Turpins always when in GA. My issue is the riff raff and feral children who turn a nice drink and meal out with friends into a circus of unruly behaviour. It is all about choices the sad thing is the riff raff are now at the Shirley Bassey, Masa Square, GA centre and Sierra Mar leaving decent folk looking for elsewhere to enjoy.
Post by: BeachLife on June 08, 2018, 11:53.
Post by: Spurs on June 08, 2018, 12:02.
Post by: ian-steele on June 09, 2018, 18:37.
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