Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on March 28, 2016, 15:54.
Post by: kevinb on March 28, 2016, 16:16.
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on March 28, 2016, 16:21.
Post by: kevinb on March 28, 2016, 16:48.
Post by: Chris C on March 28, 2016, 17:25.
Post by: Spurs on March 28, 2016, 17:38.
On healthcare I think there will be companies selling access to healthcare in spain if the reciprocal agreement goes
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on March 28, 2016, 17:45.
Post by: cathk7@hotmail.com on March 28, 2016, 18:27.
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Post by: kevinb on March 28, 2016, 19:07.
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on March 28, 2016, 19:09.
Post by: kevinb on March 28, 2016, 19:13.
Post by: Spurs on March 28, 2016, 19:18.
Give us the info so we decide !!!!
Post by: Chris C on March 28, 2016, 19:52.
Things I can think of is issues such as healthcare, driving licences etc. but as there is a large Scandinavian presence in GA and they are not members of the eu then I assume they don't have any major issues.
I will be voting to remain in
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on March 28, 2016, 20:33.
Do they have a reciprocal agreement or do they have to pay for private health.
Post by: dleafy on March 28, 2016, 20:35.
There was a very good reason for setting it up in the first place. It has kept peace and opened up trade.
Unfortunately, I no longer think that it is fit for purpose. The bureaucracy it creates is outrageous. Too many are taking from the pot and the UK is putting too much in.
I personally don't think too much will change trade wise and I don't think much will change between the UK and Spain in general. There'd be far too much for both to lose.
Let's hope so anyway!
Cheers
Davy !!!
Post by: kevinb on March 28, 2016, 20:36.
Post by: kevinb on March 28, 2016, 20:38.
Post by: John H on March 28, 2016, 21:30.
The EU will only survive if all powers are handed to Brussels, perhaps that's the hidden agenda
The current EU is definitely not the free trade area we agreed to join.
I'll be voting to get out before it implodes
I feel a Brexit may also cause other Europeans to rethink their membership
Regards all
John
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Post by: tony and lesley on March 28, 2016, 21:56.
We used to trade fine with the rest of the world and Commonwealth countries
All we need to do is start producing widgets preferably high tech to sell instead of service industries ,Then go and tell the world we are open for business.
Chuck out all the human rights rubbish that came out of EU ,give offenders what they deserve.
The reciprical arrangement we have as regards health should be no problem as it can work both ways if we have the balls
Post by: Tony Gillam on March 29, 2016, 00:28.
Post by: Spurs on March 29, 2016, 07:12.
Post by: kevinb on March 29, 2016, 09:33.
Post by: JOHN on March 29, 2016, 15:50.
John
Post by: Spurs on March 29, 2016, 16:06.
Post by: Corporal Jones on March 29, 2016, 16:32.
Post by: kevinb on March 29, 2016, 19:00.
Post by: BeachLife on March 30, 2016, 20:43.
Peoples circumstances often drive their views - where the only thing that matters is the "imigration problem and a desire to return to the halcyon days of the British Empire - "we were Ok in the olden days"
There is no CEO or COO of a Medium / Large Global Manufacturing company the UK that wants out (as far as I have read) - and as I work for and want to contine to work for one of those companies I want us to stay in !
Carlos Ghosen from Nissan, Easyjet, Shell and my own boss at JLR know it will hurt long term prospects
A report by the CBI said the savings from reduced EU budget contributions and regulation were greatly outweighed by the negative impact on trade and investment. The business lobby group said by 2020, the overall cost to the economy could be up to £100bn and 950,000 jobs
But we might have a few less immigrants . . . . . .so thats Ok then
Post by: kevinb on March 30, 2016, 20:56.
Post by: sunseekers on March 30, 2016, 20:59.
As far as immigrants are concerned i think our local hospital would close wothout them, and if we had to renegotiate a trade agreement we would be involved in agreeing to freedom of movement anyway and so the best protection we have for that, i believe, is us not being part of the schengen agreement, which is the state of play now anyway, so whats the difference.
Hazel
Post by: Tony Gillam on March 31, 2016, 08:07.
It therefore comes down to the jobs and trade issue. Greater brains than mine can give the definitive answer to that one.
Post by: Spurs on March 31, 2016, 10:47.
Post by: puddy-woo on March 31, 2016, 12:42.
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Post by: Corporal Jones on March 31, 2016, 14:54.
Post by: sunseekers on March 31, 2016, 16:20.
I thought again of times gone past
When wars were fought and lives were lost
Tell me they werent fought in vain
To give us chance to start again
A warlike lot the human race
Can we not make a better place
Are we so divided and devisive
We cant be in a world united
Together we could work it out
Please stop and listen, talk it out
Together we could be so strong
Why cant we all just get along
Am i naive, i dare to dream
Are things not maybe what they seem
I hope intent from times gone past
To Unite us all, will maybe last
Together we're best, i believe
Stay stronger, talk, but do not leave
Hazel
Post by: kevinb on March 31, 2016, 16:42.
Post by: BeachLife on March 31, 2016, 17:58.
What a suprise the boss of JLR wants to stay in the EU, a purely selfish business decision based on his bottom line not being effected. I cant see sales of 80 thousand pound range rovers and jguars slumping too much.
Hi Victor
Its a not a selfish business decision - and its not only the boss of JLR is it ?
A lot of our senior leaders think its a sensible one that protects lots (and lots) of jobs (over 50,000 at JLR if you include the UK supply base) and add Billions to the GDP of UK PLC - the largest (by net value) manufacturing company in the UK.
Plus I like our cars !
Post by: sunseekers on March 31, 2016, 18:04.
Its nothing to do with nerve just differences of opinions, i dont agree with yours either but you are entitled to it as are we all. When the vote is cast i will accept the majority vote, obviously i hope it agrees with mine but i will get behind whichever it is, such is democracy.
Hazel
Post by: John H on March 31, 2016, 18:10.
F type on order for the Summer?
Thanks for the tip off earlier btw
Regards all
John
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Post by: Corporal Jones on March 31, 2016, 20:12.
Post by: kevinb on March 31, 2016, 21:30.
Post by: kevinb on April 01, 2016, 07:14.
Post by: John H on April 01, 2016, 09:13.
The European Parliament operates somewhat differently than say the UK Parliament but IMHO it is wrong to say it undemocratic
Regards all
John
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Post by: sunseekers on April 01, 2016, 09:34.
Hazel
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 01, 2016, 10:14.
Post by: BeachLife on April 01, 2016, 13:35.
Are these same senior leaders who presided over the dissapearance of UK manufacteuring now including british steel or maybe the senior leaders whose banks collapsed forcing the average taxpayer to bail them out. Or maybe the senior leaders who were in lanzarote or australia when they should have been at Tata. But whilst people still sit in awe of these senior leaders were doomed.
No its not the same Senior Leaders Victor - we have doubled our workforce in 4 years
Post by: John H on April 09, 2016, 15:43.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3530980/Please-sack-Euro-MP-DANIEL-HANNAN-money-perks-gets-Brussels-making-Britons-lives-harder-begging-nation-courage-job.html
Regards all
John
Post by: kevinb on April 09, 2016, 17:49.
Post by: John H on April 09, 2016, 19:10.
Such a shame, the basic principle was superb, it's all gone terribly wrong
Regards all
John
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Post by: kevinb on April 09, 2016, 19:25.
Post by: Chris C on April 09, 2016, 19:32.
Post by: kevinb on April 09, 2016, 19:37.
Post by: Chris C on April 09, 2016, 22:08.
Post by: John H on April 14, 2016, 09:15.
Like a lot of things in life the EU had its fair share of issues and it does need a massive shake up, I think we should stay in and be part of the shake up.
My feeling is that our economy would suffer and as a result of this we would see a big increase in unemployment and even more strains on welfare/healthcare/education etc.
It's an expensive club to be in when you look at our net contribution, but it'd be even more expensive if we left IMHO
Regards all
John
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Post by: mike and judith on April 14, 2016, 12:45.
So many pros & cons, but the best chance we have of making our "neighbourhood" fair & worthwhile is from the INSIDE. Loose our influence if we leave.
Post by: kevinb on April 14, 2016, 17:02.
Post by: Spurs on April 14, 2016, 20:30.
Post by: dleafy on April 14, 2016, 21:56.
I don't buy any of this 'we'd be worse off' nonsense being peddled mainly by those who have a vested (financial) interest in staying. Plenty countries exist outside of the European Union and still trade with it.
Too many EU jobs rely on the UK trading with them so it's in their own interests to deal with us.
The ability to go back to the days of abiding by our own laws, decided by the people we elected to do so, within the borders we control has to be better than pouring billions into the gravy train that is the EU for very little return.
Whilst the 'stay in' lot hammer on about what will happen if we leave, they don't and simply can't back it up with any facts. The truth is, no one knows what will happen.
I read today that Spain is one of the countries who are already making plans to not only retain the Uk People (and therefore cash they bring)already there, but actually attract more. After all, the Spanish building sector is the fastest growing in Europe.
Roll on June!
Cheers
Davy !!!
Post by: Ash on April 15, 2016, 02:22.
Vote to stay in and we accept whatever we are given
Vote out and hope it's the right decision
People will put an X in the box and hope it is the best decision for them but no one knows what an in or out vote means
Oh well in the words of Henry V
"Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more"
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Post by: kevinb on April 15, 2016, 05:13.
Post by: dleafy on April 15, 2016, 08:07.
The average 'worker' anywhere in Europe is not anti 'Europe'...just anti EU. Bureaucracy cripples business.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 15, 2016, 08:48.
I do share John Hannon's concerns about jobs but my guess is that in the event of Brexit we will see the EU implode within a few years. There would then be an opportunity to build a decent common market. At the moment we are faced with an inexorable march to a federalist USofE and I'm not sure how many members really want that.
Post by: kevinb on April 15, 2016, 16:54.
Post by: Spurs on April 18, 2016, 12:09.
I still think the data had been put out far to late but there is a shed load of facts and details come out this weekend and today ..
Now we have to decide interesting its on a knife edge at the moment
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 18, 2016, 21:23.
Post by: Spurs on April 19, 2016, 07:14.
Surprising news on sky this morning that there are growing claims in France for a referendum on leaving as well
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 19, 2016, 07:54.
Post by: mike and judith on April 19, 2016, 18:03.
Post by: kevinb on April 19, 2016, 19:36.
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 19, 2016, 22:40.
in subsidy for growing nothing on their land, hmmmmmmm
Post by: kevinb on April 20, 2016, 16:36.
Post by: kevinb on April 25, 2016, 20:58.
We have been asked about TTIP and what it is -
So what is TTIP and why it is very bad for the UK and the NHS.
Here are 12 Facts about TTIP that may help you.
1) Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership.
2) Designed to open Americas Trade and Services to the EU.
3) A free trade agreement.
4) Currently being negotiated in secret between the EU Commission and the US.
5)The most common argument put to the public is that, by removing the restrictions on trade it will make it easier for private companies to trade, FTAs will increase economic growth and jobs.
BUT -
6) The FTA will give transnational corporations the right to enter the UK market and operate without limits on their activities and
encourage privatisation of the public sector.
7) The FTA is concerned with removing non-trade barriers (such as regulations or standards – often governing safety) or ‘harmonising’ these so that each party to the treaty accepts the standards of the other, or sees their standards as equivalent (‘mutual recognition’). In many instances this means that accepting the regulatory standards of other countries could undermine many of our hard-won social, health and environmental regulations, and prevent new regulations where these interfere with transnationals’ profits.
8) The FTA includes what is known as an 'investor-state dispute settlement' (ISDS),This means that transnational corporations have the unique right to use an international tribunal of three corporate lawyers to directly sue the UK government if it introduces any new regulation that might, even unintentionally, damage the corporation’s investment, including its expected future profits. As a result of protest against TTIP, its inclusion of ISDS, ISDS in TTIP is currently under review and may involve a slightly different process known as ‘Investment Court System’
9) ISDS also severely limits the ability of governments to move public services out of markets in which investors have substantial interests. (NHS for example).
10) ISDS gives special privileges to foreign investors as it is not a course of action available to domestic companies or EU citizens. Nor can the UK government use ISDS to sue a transnational corporation. Curiously, as the EU trade commissioner has admitted, there is no direct relationship between the inclusion of ISDS in a FTA and increased foreign investment, prompting questions about why governments agree to offer foreign investors a special court.
11) An FTA may require that a Regulatory Cooperation Council is set up to ensure future coherence between the regulations of the different countries involved, giving new powers to corporations to re-negotiate existing regulations or to challenge proposed legislation (even prior to this coming before Parliament), if this conflicts with their corporate interests.
Regulatory cooperation between the EU and US is not new: what is new is the level of ambition for this in agreements like TTIP.
12) ‘Regulatory cooperation’ allows negotiators to dismantle regulation behind closed doors even after a FTA has been agreed and some see that this facility is even more advantageous to transnational corporations than ISDS. What’s more, the prospect that regulatory cooperation might be included in TTIP already seems to deter the EU from regulating. For example, apparently in response to threats from the US about the future of TTIP, the EU has repealed a ban on the treatment of beef with lactic acid and abandoned plans to ban certain pesticides associated with cancer and infertility.
So there you have it.
Post by: kevinb on April 25, 2016, 22:06.
Post by: kevinb on April 25, 2016, 22:08.
Post by: mike and judith on April 25, 2016, 23:02.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 26, 2016, 07:14.
Post by: Spurs on April 26, 2016, 09:33.
Looks like it will go down to the wire I am still undecided but for me the great part is that people finally get their say softer all these years .it's sparked real interest and imagination especially from the young .
May the will of the people win!
Post by: sunseekers on April 26, 2016, 10:23.
Europe is a very large body now and has joint negotiating powers that we would not have if we came out.
Britain would certainly want to agree free trade agreements both inside and outside of europe if it came out (even though within europe we would be part of anytrade agreement negotiated with countries outside of europe anyway without having to negotiate alone). We would certainly want to trade with America, as well as others, who do you think would get the better deal, one small GB negotiating alone, or Europe with the voice, legal backing and negotiating power favouring a large body of countries.
I know what my vote is and the more i hear about 'the facts' the more i feel my own decision is reinforced.
I just hope more people look into everything, carefully and dont just vote on a gut reaction to any stories in the press designed to sell newspapers.
Hazel
Post by: cathk7@hotmail.com on April 26, 2016, 11:02.
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Post by: Corporal Jones on April 26, 2016, 22:23.
Post by: cathk7@hotmail.com on April 26, 2016, 22:35.
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on April 26, 2016, 22:54.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 27, 2016, 08:12.
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 27, 2016, 13:27.
Post by: kevinb on April 27, 2016, 15:46.
Post by: cathk7@hotmail.com on April 27, 2016, 16:20.
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Post by: kevinb on April 27, 2016, 16:55.
Post by: John H on April 27, 2016, 17:00.
It's like asking expats to vote on maintaining their winter fuel allowance
Regards all
John
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Post by: cathk7@hotmail.com on April 27, 2016, 17:17.
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Post by: Spurs on April 27, 2016, 18:36.
Post by: kevinb on April 27, 2016, 20:45.
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on April 27, 2016, 21:42.
Post by: Spurs on April 27, 2016, 22:04.
Maybe they should make all voting in UK based on history etc I would support that
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 27, 2016, 22:38.
Post by: bertdove on April 28, 2016, 00:02.
Bert
Post by: kevinb on April 28, 2016, 05:57.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 28, 2016, 07:41.
The law states that if you have been out of the UK for less than 15years and on the electrolyte roll before leaving you are entitled to a vote.That should spark a debate. ;)
Post by: cathk7@hotmail.com on April 28, 2016, 09:22.
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Post by: Spurs on April 28, 2016, 09:43.
Post by: sunseekers on April 28, 2016, 14:12.
Hazel
Post by: kevinb on April 28, 2016, 16:05.
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 28, 2016, 18:32.
Post by: Barry former GA Advertiser on April 28, 2016, 18:35.
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2016, 19:02.
I am assuming not because all the information that has been plastered across the papers and TVs has no factual basis
If the Government wanted to stay in they why did they ever offer people the chance to vote out.
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Post by: John H on April 28, 2016, 19:14.
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Post by: kevinb on April 28, 2016, 19:40.
Post by: Ash on April 28, 2016, 20:10.
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Post by: kevinb on April 28, 2016, 20:55.
Post by: sunseekers on April 28, 2016, 23:55.
Therefore as regards freedom of movement, if indeed we got the same trade ageeement that has been the one agreed by others in that posision, there would be no change at all. Oh yes, excuse me, there would, we would have no say in any laws made inside europe regarding immigration as we would no longer be sat at that table and would just have to go with whatever was agreed.
Post by: kevinb on April 29, 2016, 01:18.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 29, 2016, 08:26.
Post by: dleafy on April 29, 2016, 08:32.
About 5 million jobs in Europe rely on uk trade. Norway exports and imports a fraction of what we do. The Uk would be in a much stronger position to negotiate.
However!....by the same token, the current trade agreements which we have with the US & China, for example, are as strong as they are because they are negotiated by 'Europe' as a whole. We wouldn't have the same agreements if we negotiated them in isolation.
Post by: John H on April 29, 2016, 09:29.
All those in the out camp who think that trade agreements are something you can knock up in 10 minutes are in cloud cuckoo land.
What did Obahma say.....it wouldn't be a priority and would take 10 years
I saw an interview the other week with the Canadian trade minister, they had nearly concluded or had just concluded a trade agreement with the EU that had taken 10+ years to negotiate
What will happen to our economy whilst we are waiting for all these deals to be drawn up?
We would be up the creek without a paddle
As I've said many a time, the EU isn't perfect, but what is, but far better to be in than out
Regards all
John
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Post by: kevinb on April 29, 2016, 09:55.
Post by: John H on April 29, 2016, 11:15.
In DC's "brilliant" negotiations he's stopped any migrants getting benefits until theyve contributed..........even though all the stats say that EU migrants into the UK are net contributors, unlike quite a few "residents"
If we did not allow EU migrants into our country quite a few industries would collapse........the "locals" wont work in the fields picking crops.........the farmers round where we live just cant recruit locals, they are more than happy enough to sit on their buts collecting their benefits...........the nursing homes and retirement homes are largely staffed by EU migrants.......again the locals wont do the job..........local hotels are cleaned and staffed by migrants...........again the locals find the work demeaning.
The local hospitals employ EU citizens at all levels, from cleaning staff to consultants.
In my last few years at work we went to Spain and Poland recruiting excellent pharmacists when we in the UK had a shortage of pharmacists, had we not been able to do this local community pharmacies would have been unable to open and dispense medication
A local haulage company, they run a fleet of 50 wagons employ 20 Polish drivers...........they cant recruit localy
I live in a small town on the Yorkshire Coast...........go to any large conurbation and you will see an even bigger reliance on EU citizens.
I wonder how residents of Santa Pola viewed all of us buying up property in their area and using the services despite the fact that most of us dont work or pay any NI or income tax in Spain...........I know we pay tax on purchases etc but so do migrants to the UK...........perhaps they can see that more people living in the area has created jobs in construction, housing and commercial, provided hundreds of jobs in supermarkets and restaurants, allowed people to open their own businesses to serve this influx of immigrants, grown the facilities in the area, schools, sports centres...........all good things.
The UK has rapidly growing number of pensioners and older people needing more expensive healthcare and welfare costs, these migrants to the UK are the people whose direct and indirect taxation will be paying our state pensions these welfare costs in years to come.
Fortress Britain in isoloation IMHO will be a far worse place for future generations.
Regards all
John
Post by: sunseekers on April 29, 2016, 12:44.
Dleafy, you said yourself that no-one knows what will happen, this is why i have been looking up every bit of information that i can as well as listenening to my own opinions about the eu and britain.
This is why i used Norway as a 'for instance' to speak about what is only my own informed opinion of course, but my investigations told me that Norway in fact does 74 percent of their trade with the eu, while we export 44 percent of our product and only import 8 percent from europe, surely this means that we would need them more than they would need us.
Also i worry about what would happen with the many companies that have set up in Britain to gain a 'foot in the door to europe' if that door does indeed close, particularly in the north east where we are, the two that come to my mind instantly are nissan and hitachi.
I do agree that things need to change within europe and the very best way of helping that to happen is to stay sat round that table and keep having a say.
No one country (i.e. Germany) runs europe, we all have a vote and we can all vetoe.
Its proving to be a very interesting debate.
Hazel
Hazel
Post by: kevinb on April 29, 2016, 14:02.
Cheers Kev
Post by: John H on April 29, 2016, 14:12.
Regards all
John
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Post by: kevinb on April 29, 2016, 15:14.
Good Luck
.Kev
P.s off to the sun soon!
Post by: dleafy on April 29, 2016, 15:56.
Never mind...the will of the people will prevail ;D
Post by: kevinb on April 29, 2016, 16:47.
Post by: Corporal Jones on April 29, 2016, 21:52.
Post by: John H on April 29, 2016, 22:47.
Staying in gives us;
Free trade in one of the worlds wealthiest and biggest marketplaces
The right to study, work, reside and retire anywhere in any of the amazing countries in the EU
Free healthcare throughout the EU
Favourable and agreed trading terms with the rest of the world
EU laws protecting our rights as consumers, workers and travelers throughout the EU
A say in the rules that will influence the future of Europe
In my view all things we should hold onto as no one can guarantee what the alternative holds......out of the frying pan and into the fire?
Regards all
John
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Post by: dleafy on April 29, 2016, 23:34.
Unfortunately, any anti immigration talk labels you a racist.
How on earth has it come to this?
Post by: kevinb on April 30, 2016, 06:48.
Post by: kevinb on April 30, 2016, 07:04.
Post by: Tony Gillam on April 30, 2016, 07:20.
Turning to John's earlier comments regarding migrant labour for the low-paid jobs while many of our indigenous workforce would rather draw benefits than take the jobs, the solution is to more radically shake up the welfare system than has currently been done. I can't see any party having the political cojones to do so despite the two-fold advantage of addressing the work-shy and reducing the attractiveness of immigration for these jobs.
Reformation of the EU appears an impossible task and I'm reluctantly drawn to the "out" camp but fear for our economic future.
Post by: puddy-woo on April 30, 2016, 09:17.
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Post by: kevinb on April 30, 2016, 11:09.
Post by: sunseekers on April 30, 2016, 11:46.
I say again, if we are in, we have a say but if we are out we could end up like such as norway with a free trade and free movement of people agreement and absolutely NO SAY about any future decisions about immigrants. Our best protection is what we already have, the Schengen agreement and the fact that we do have a seat at the table.
And yes i also agree with tony that our benefits system needs overhauling, would it be better to keep what we have and lobby the government than to risk everything we already have, and i happen to think that as a country we are doing well at the moment and i do,not want to risk that, and yes my husband and i could also cope financially but it is for the sake of my two children and five grandchildren that i do not want the financial instability and further risk to jobs that an out vote will bring, for many years into their futures i feel.
Problems in the south could be addressed with rent caps and caps to the amount of second properties it is possible to own. i have long thought controls should be in place, particularly in london, it is greedy landlords buying up too many properties, especially cheaper ones which first time buyers would normally start with. It surely wont be long before london has no londoners at all and i feel sorry for anyone trying to get a start there. Many landlords are foreign buyers attracted by the phenomenal prices and rents to be gained, if controls were put into place to restrict this practice it would help the real locals, but the government seem happy to keep allowing this.
Hazel
Post by: puddy-woo on April 30, 2016, 12:29.
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Post by: sunseekers on April 30, 2016, 14:13.
Its awful but this is already happening, and has happened in the past before all the european immigrants, it needs addressing at a local level by using powers already in place, if councils are not doing anything about it then its your councillors who need to be doing more.
Immigration has always been a bone of contention, with the need for more citizens to generate income balanced by the feeling of alienation by some areas but its not the people trying to make a living that are the problem but others who take advantage and a complacent or even lazy system of not taking enough action to make sure things are done in the correct way by the people we elect who are supposed to be working for our benefit.
Post by: kevinb on April 30, 2016, 16:32.
Post by: sunseekers on April 30, 2016, 17:36.
If you want to try and change the way people come to this country to seek work in the way they do in australia, that should be talked about within the european framework, its certainly not a subject that is talked about only in britain, but i feel that here it has been hyped up by a media in order to gain influence. Ive done my own homework on all of the points relevant in the in out referendum and havent relied on media and other people spouting their own opinions. I just hope that everyone who votes actually looks at the big picture for themselves and doesnt allow this one issue to influence the whole thing.
Freedom of movement works both ways, it leaves us free to travel to europe seek work there, live there, retire there, have holidays with cheaper airfares and communications, and of course last but not least, trade freely. Whether you like it or not we do need additional people to pay into the infrastructure which services our aged population.
I dont care what origins people have, everyone is equal to me and deserves the same chance and I dont like to hear of anyone being taken advantage of because they are trying to make a living whether they originate from here or anywhere else.
As ive said before, i believe in the principles of a united Europe and that includes the freedom of movement that has everyone talking.
Hazel
Post by: Tony Gillam on May 01, 2016, 07:32.
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Post by: kevinb on May 01, 2016, 09:39.
Post by: John H on May 01, 2016, 09:39.
As Hazel rightly pointed out scores of overseas firms have invested heavily in the Uk in the knowledge of the trade agreements to export their goods that our EU membership gives them......will an out vote and years of uncertainty see such inward investment continuing?
Who knows, one thing for sure is it won't help secure investments in the mid term
I retired 10 years ago and have no desire to return to work, but I'd like to see my grandson and all his mates securing decent careers, I reckon they have a far greater chance of doing that if we stay in
As Dobie Gray used to sing "I'm in with the in crowd"
Regards all
John
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Post by: Spurs on May 01, 2016, 09:56.
Interestingly only 2 world leaders have so far come out and said they want uk to leave .Putin and the president of Argentina
Post by: BeachLife on May 01, 2016, 21:17.
..... because I can't see anyway to avoid having that idiot Boris as PM if we leave and because we have no real idea of facts of what it would be like out .
Image UK ran by Boris and the US ran by Trump . . . . . couldnt be worse
Post by: Spurs on May 01, 2016, 22:28.